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Islam in England and Europe: The Coming War of Religions
anxietycenter.com ^ | May 8, 2002 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 05/13/2002 3:51:13 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The assassination of Pim Fortuyn, a Dutch rightwing politician who was outspoken against the influx of Muslims into Holland and the rest of Europe, and an opponent of immigration, needs to be seen in the larger context of how the growing Muslim population is having an impact throughout Europe and Great Britain.

Americans tend to pay little attention to other nations unless they pose a threat to our national security. It is doubtful that the average American could tell you much about the politics of Great Britain or European nations. The recent French elections got everyone’s attention because an avowed anti-Semite gained 17% of the vote that led to a run-off and repudiation. His brief moment in the spotlight, however, sent a shiver down the spine of those who recalled or know of the politics of the 1930s that led to World War II.

The United States has officially declared its opposition to three nations designated an "axis of evil", Iraq, Iran and North Korea. Other nations are designated as terrorist states, but European nations remain identified as allies, despite their reluctance to support US foreign policy. Moreover, these nations have formed the European Union in order to acquire more power for their region of the world. Great Britain has flirted with the idea of joining the EU, but so far has resisted.

It may surprise you, therefore, to learn that Muslims are the second largest religious group in England after the Anglican majority. There are some two million Muslims in Great Britain. They are not indigenous to England, being largely newcomers from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India. Others come from Africa, Asia, and even Europe. The Muslims of England are very diverse in many ways, except for their faith in Islam.

Increasingly, though, demands have grown for education of Muslim children to reflect their religion, for official recognition of the Islamic faith. Native-born Brits are less than thrilled with their growing numbers and demands. Still, a recent poll by Eastern Eye, an Asian newspaper published in the UK, revealed that 87% of the Muslims polled said they are loyal to Britain, even though 64% were opposed to the US-led military action against Afghanistan.

The vote in France for Le Pen, a candidate with extreme right-wing political views, was generated by a growing concern of ordinary, native-born Frenchmen and women regarding their Muslim population and other immigrants. Here again, the fact that some four million Muslims are the second largest religious group in France may come as a surprise; more than half of them are French citizens. They are largely the result of France’s colonial past, especially in the North African region.

Most of the Muslim community in France are from nations called the "Maghreb", Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia. Others come from Turkey, Senegal, and Mali. Some are converts. Islam has a long history in France. Ironically, the spread of Islam into Europe was ended with their defeat at Poitiers, France, in 732. It would not be until 1683 when Muslims were defeated near Vienna, that further expansion efforts ended in Europe. Now Muslims merely immigrate to European nations.

France’s situation is particularly instructive. Immigration began in earnest in the 1950s, primarily from Maghreb nations. There are some five million Muslims in France. For decades, the religion was largely invisible and Muslims represented the lowest rungs of the economic and social ladder, but second and third generation French Muslims, in the 1990s, underwent a re-conversion of sorts, joining the ranks of radical Islam to seek an identity in a society from which they felt excluded.

This is interesting, too, because, twenty years ago, the demand for official recognition of Islam led to the Charter of Muslim Faith that defined how a French Muslim could remain faithful to both Islam and France. Today, native French citizens tend to regard Muslims as a danger to their society. The French government, however, has seen integration of Muslims into French society as a wiser path than some form of de facto isolation.

Following 9.11 and the US retaliation in Afghanistan, the French magazine for Muslims, La Medina, organized a public meeting to discuss its significance for Islam. In a converted warehouse just north of central Paris, in October, a large crowd of French Muslims, mostly from North Africa, gathered. One speaker was a 39-year-old Swiss professor, Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of a man who founded Egypt’s Islamic revival movement, the radical Muslim Brotherhood, in the 1930s. "Now more than ever, we need to criticize some of our brothers," he told the packed hall. "My dignity depends on saying ‘You are unjustified if you use the Koran to justify murder.’" No doubt his grandfather is doing cartwheels in his grave.

Reportedly, the overwhelming majority of Europe’s Muslims see their religion as a moderate one. There are 12.5 million Muslims throughout Europe and they are in the process of redefining Islam as people born and bred in Europe. This may be the beginning of a much-needed Reformation within Islam that occurred and redefined Christianity after the Dark Ages.

Having noted the Muslim defeat outside of Vienna, Austria in 1683, it would not be until 1878 before Muslims appeared in greater numbers as the result of the annexation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and other territories by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Currently, Muslims are the third largest religion in Austria and growing. Their numbers doubled between 1981 and 1991. These Muslims are largely immigrants and are often political refugees. The bulk are formerly Turkish and citizens of the former Yugoslavia. The recent Balkan wars drove a lot of Muslims to choose Austria as a homeland. There are also distinct and visible Iranian and Arab minorities as well.

The relationship between Muslim minorities and the State of Austria has been formalized and regulated since 1912 by the Islam Act that officially recognized the religion. It led to the establishment of the Muslim Faith Union in 1979 and Austrians Muslims are taught their faith in public schools with teachers paid by the State. The rise of nationalistic political parties in Austria reflects a concern seen in France. Increasingly, a growing portion of native Austrians are suspicious and fearful of Muslims.

In Poland, chiefly Polish-Lithuanian Tartars, a group estimated between two and three thousand, have lived in that nation for some 600 years. Their small numbers versus the overwhelmingly Catholic Poles has left them largely ignored. Muslims, however, in the post-Soviet Caucasus are a different situation entirely. A growing fundamentalism has, for example, led the Chechyans to use terrorism and war on the Russians to seek a separate nation. The Russians have responded much as the US has in Afghanistan.

Several former Russian provinces, now independent, but allied republics, have large, if not dominant Muslim populations. These include Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kryghyezstan, and Kazakhstan. Add to this, Albania. The recent Balkan wars were largely religious movements by Muslims and, ironically, the US sided with them and against the Serbians. So did the rest of Europe.

So, now, when you say Europe, it’s wise to keep in mind that the nations that compose it are increasingly home to a growing population of Muslims. Wherever a population of Muslims gains in numbers, they begin to demand autonomy or a change in the governmental structure to reflect Islamic law. This is going to lead to a long religious war, an Islamic Jihad. Not all Muslims will support it, but few can be expected to speak out against it.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; clashofcivilizatio; diversity; europeanunion; fortuyn; immigration; islam; jihad; lepen; sharia
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To: Muslims_Wolf
THIS is not CNN. Titles below from this site.

Christians On Trial For Public Prayers In Nigeria
Egyptian Police Terrorize Christians To 'Confess' Crime
Government Orders Church Closed In Nigeria
Ailing Sudanese Convert Has 'Made Up His Mind'
Sharif Calls For Imposition Of 'Sweeping' Islamic Law
Pakistan News Stories of Muslims killing and persecuting Christians.
Summary of killings in Pakistan in 2002
Sunday Service Ends in Carnage for Christian Worshippers in Pakistan
International Church Attacked In Pakistan
Saudi Arabia Still Holding Two Foreign Christians
Last Two Christian Prisoners Deported From Saudi Arabia
Muslim Who Converted To Christianity In Grave Danger
Is Release Imminent For American Missionary Hostages In The Philippines?
Returning Christians Face Threats And Violence In Indonesia
Jordanian Christian Widow Loses Custody Of Her Children
State Government Closes 24 Christian Schools In Nigeria
Nigerian State Bans House Churches

And I guess CNN just invented the ongoing kidnappings and mutilations by the chechens for the last 6 years, the constant and deliberate suicide bombings of the Palis targeting children and families, the nightclub explosion in Bali, and the theatre hostage-taking in Moscow. All actions claimed by muslims.

62 posted on 11/17/2002 9:17:48 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The average European woman has 1.4 children. You need 2.1 to break even. The country with the highest birthrate in Europe is Albania, muslim majority. Even if you shut down all muslim immigration, it would still be only a matter of time until Europeans became a minority on their home continent due just to the difference in birthrates.

If you have two kids and the average muslim has 4 or 6. You're basically giving away your country. The only question is how long. Do you want your grandchildren to live under Islamic Law?

63 posted on 11/17/2002 9:18:03 AM PST by Godel
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To: Tailgunner Joe
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64 posted on 11/17/2002 9:23:22 AM PST by copycat
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To: Biker Scum
Keep reading the thread....
66 posted on 11/17/2002 9:26:54 AM PST by MarMema
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To: riri
In my local German village of 2,000 people...I would guess that 60 are of Muslim heritage. And of the 60, 10 are actually intergrating into local society...the rest are here to make cash and enjoy the local situation. Most Muslims come to Germany because of economic situations that they cannot find in their own countries...like Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran. The birth rate is high...compared to Germans. Germans are lucky to have a 1 child family...Turks are up around 3-4 kids per family. As for assimiliation into society....Germans want everyone to assimilate...kinda like Borgs on that subject.
68 posted on 11/17/2002 9:39:10 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Muslims_Wolf
Only Islamic nations forbid the building of places of worship that do not conform to their faith.
Only Islamic nations arrest nuns for handing out free Bibles.
Muslims are the only ones beheading those who refuse to convert to their perverted and Satanic cult.
Only Muslims are using citizens as human bombs.
Only Muslims demand that entire nations convert to their faith as a precondition to peace.
Only Muslims intentionally use innocent women, children, diners, students, and social clubs as primary targets.
Muslims are the only ones bombing innocents in Indonesia, the Phillipines, Israel, India, America, and embassies throughout the world.
Only Muslims follow a prophet who was a pedophile.
Only Muslims degrade the female half of their population because they are so weak as men that they can't control themselves if they see a woman's flesh in public.
Only Muslims preach that killing those who are non-believers is acceptable.
Only Muslims use widespread death as a diplomatic tool outside of war.
Only Muslims use rape and gang rape as a legitimate form of punishment.
Muslim nations are the only nations on the planet who live as a Tenth Century culture, while supporting their existence using Twentieth Century resources... without oil, the morons in the entire Middle East have an economy the size of Belgium.
Muslims nations can't muster the intelligence to build their own makes of automobile.

Face it, loser, your "faith" is bankrupt of any decency, respect, or future.

69 posted on 11/17/2002 9:39:46 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Muslims_Wolf
it's time to burn that fool cross and get up from this myth u live in

Before you ask to see burning crosses, take a moment and reflect upon the saying "Be careful of what you wish for, you might get it".

71 posted on 11/17/2002 9:43:28 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Prodigal Son
The media had worked for decades to prepare the American public for that day when the righteous hoardes of collectivists from across the ocean arrived to dismantle our evil empire. Well, that day arrived without the collectivists- it brought heathens instead.

The media isn't exactly a monolith, and conservative writers are increasingly being read.

It is an interesting question as to how the liberals think they would enjoy Islamic rule. Barbra Striesand would look better in a burqa, that's true, but the liberal idiots won't wake up and smell the dates.

72 posted on 11/17/2002 9:44:24 AM PST by xJones
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To: Godel
If you have two kids and the average muslim has 4 or 6. You're basically giving away your country. The only question is how long. Do you want your grandchildren to live under Islamic Law?

The only solution is to abolish the welfare state. It's the welfare state which allows Muslims in Europe to feed large families, while it's the taxes to support it that prevents the middle-class from being able to afford large families

73 posted on 11/17/2002 9:49:08 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Muslims_Wolf
The cancer of Islam has returned after a 5 century remission.

The Koran's pipe dream which started the spread from the desert 14 centuries ago was based on invasion, mass murder, and plunder, with rape and slavery thrown in to make the sandy bastards feel better about themselves in the face of the much more productive Jewish and Christian cultures.

Muslims' modern public image promoting their "Allah" is correctly understood as a death cult god of war. We "infedels" did not make that so, Islamic murderers of children and other innocents did during the entire 20th Century.

Arabs can be clever, but utterly ruthless and dispicable before humanity. Submit or be vanquished? Arabs have indoctrinated other 3rd World cultures to their infiltrating, hatefilled M.O. Arabs learned modernity from Western Civilization and are using its efficiencies to continue mass murdering practiced since Mo' covetted his neighbors' wealth, women, and little girls.

If Arabs had invented the Internet or photography maybe kiddie porn sites would include Mo's child bride and his other conquests.

Payback will be a bitch. Our VSOB Day will come as the Islamic Reformation.

For the current Islamofascists and the other 800,000,000 or so muslim cowards apparently afraid to speak up for a "religion of peace", Allah aakkkk barf. Puke on your god of war, and Mo'ham' his one true mess.



74 posted on 11/17/2002 9:55:55 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bump
75 posted on 11/17/2002 10:03:10 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; PatrickHenry
Interesting article.
76 posted on 11/17/2002 10:05:41 AM PST by Scully
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To: MarMema
Great, now Fusion has a playmate.
77 posted on 11/17/2002 10:08:35 AM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: SauronOfMordor
The only solution is to abolish the welfare state. It's the welfare state which allows Muslims in Europe to feed large families, while it's the taxes to support it that prevents the middle-class from being able to afford large families

Exactly, it's sick. You work your butt off and your taxes are used to breed you out of existence. It's like Nazis forcing jews to dig their own graves.

78 posted on 11/17/2002 10:08:36 AM PST by Godel
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To: MarMema
ping to a new freeper, see posts above, Muslims wolf.

Note the use of "u" and the run-on nonsensical sentences. Must be a semi-literate foreign child.

79 posted on 11/17/2002 10:09:41 AM PST by Scully
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To: Teacher317
Excellent summation. Thank you!
80 posted on 11/17/2002 10:12:14 AM PST by Scully
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