[EBUCK]

And by the same token, criminals obtain guns legally and illegally to commits crimes. The debate is that essentially nobody here accepts the notion that stricter gun control will reduce crime by the slightest margin. There's quite a bit of what Clinton would call "compartmentalization" going on here. The dictionary calls it hypocrisy.

I guess I don't understand what you are geting at.

Guns are not pre-requisites to crime. Right?

Illegally coming into our country is, in fact, a pre-requisite to illegal immigration. Right?

Stricter gun-control will not reduce crime because crime is not dependant upon guns. Stricter border control will reduce illegal immigration because crossing the border is absolutely neccesary to illegal immigration.

AGain, I don't see your point. It's obvious to me that gun control has no effect on crime. I might even say gun control promotes crime

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[Physicist]

Stricter gun-control will not reduce crime because crime is not dependant upon guns.

Fine. GUN crime, then. Do you believe that stricter gun control will reduce the number of crimes in which guns are used?