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EMERSON & THE SECOND AMENDMENT
Fiedor Report On the News #272 ^ | 5-12-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 05/11/2002 10:23:17 AM PDT by forest

Quite a number of us have been following the U.S. v. Emerson case pertaining to the Second Amendment. Therein, the federal trial court judge wrote one of the finest decisions ever to come out of a federal criminal court -- which tracked perfectly with the original intent of all of the Founding Fathers when they approved the Constitution and later the Bill of Rights.

However, the decision was appealed.

Alas, although the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the lower court that the Second Amendment protects an individual right of the people to keep and bear arms, they reversed that part of the lower court's decision which benefited Emerson.(1) So, Emerson appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is now considering if it will hear the case.

Lawyers speak to the Court through their briefs and last May 6 was the deadline for filing them. In a nutshell, attorneys for Emerson are petitioning the Court to hear the case. Attorneys representing the federal government do not want the Court to hear it.

Last year, in a letter to National Rifle Association, Attorney General John Ashcroft said that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens, and not just to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the Amendment's preamble. "While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a 'collective' right of the states to maintain militias, I believe the amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise," Ashcroft wrote.

It would be kind of hard to support our Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers without agreeing with that. So, Ashcroft's letter got a lot of hopes up around the country. But "saying" it and actually enforcing it are two different things. So, we waited. Meanwhile, people were still being arrested around the country for unconstitutional and archaic gun laws.

Finally, last week, the Attorney General, via two U.S. Supreme Court briefs filed by Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, tied actions to his words. Sort of, anyway.

As Linda Greenhouse reported in The New York Times May 7: "The Justice Department, reversing decades of official government policy on the meaning of the Second Amendment, told the Supreme Court for the first time late Monday that the Constitution 'broadly protects the rights of individuals' to own firearms.

"The position, expressed in a footnote in each of two briefs filed by Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, incorporated the view that Attorney General John Ashcroft expressed a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association. Mr. Ashcroft said that in contrast to the view that the amendment protected only a collective right of the states to organize and maintain militias, he 'unequivocally' believed that 'the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms.'"

Linda Greenhouse was exactly correct. That is what was filed in both Emerson and another case. Unfortunately, "unequivocally" is not exactly what Ashcroft or Olsen intended. Unequivocal would mean that they support the words "shall not be infringed" in the Second Amendment with "no doubt or misunderstanding" and the meaning is "clear and unambiguous."

The words "shall not be infringed" are unequivocal to many of us. "Shall not" is rather clear and needs no explanation to anyone outside of a government office. However, public officials want tight control over the people. Therefore, the Justice Department does not think of our right to keep and bear arms as a "right." Rather, to them it is an inconvenient "privilege" that must be strictly regulated by capricious bureaucrats.

Justice does not want Emerson to be heard by the Supreme Court simply because they know the Court is going to take a very dim view of many gun laws and may wipe our hundreds in one opinion. One only need read Justice Thomas's opinion concurring with the majority in the 1995 U.S. v. Lopez(2) case for a hint. We are sure the Justice Department knows Lopez quite well. Congress tried to regulate guns via the Commerce Clause. But, the Supreme Court did not buy it.

Justice Thomas wrote: "While the principal dissent concedes that there are limits to federal power, the sweeping nature of our current test enables the dissent to argue that Congress can regulate gun possession. But it seems to me that the power to regulate 'commerce' can by no means encompass authority over mere gun possession, any more than it empowers the Federal Government to regulate marriage, littering, or cruelty to animals, throughout the 50 States. Our Constitution quite properly leaves such matters to the individual States, notwithstanding these activities' effects on interstate commerce. Any interpretation of the Commerce Clause that even suggests that Congress could regulate such matters is in need of reexamination."

With that in mind, let's examine some of the Solicitor General's argument filed in Emerson:

"In its brief to the court of appeals, the government argued that the Second Amendment protects only such acts of firearm possession as are reasonably related to the preservation or efficiency of the militia. The current position of the United States, however, is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

That's ten steps in the correct direction, to be sure. But, it most certainly is not "unequivocal" support of the Second Amendment. The Amendment clearly says "shall not." That is greatly different than restricting "possession of types of firearms" as the government wants to continue.

So, saying that the Emerson Appeals Court decision reflected the kind of narrowly tailored restrictions by which that right could reasonably be limited, the Solicitor General requested the Supreme Court to turn down the appeal.

If the government keeps control over our "right" to keep and bear arms, that right, then, becomes degraded to but a privilege.

It was the intent of the Founding Fathers that the American people shall have the unequivocal right to keep and bear arms and that government "shall not" interfere with that right. That intent was for personal arms one may "bear." Not cannon, howitzers, Apache helicopters, or tanks. Small arms only. Therefore, for small arms made to carry, there should be no restriction by government whatsoever.

To do otherwise is to violate the Constitution, as written. Because, restrictions would violate what Ashcroft called "the amendment's plain meaning and original intent" of the Founding Fathers. What the words "shall not" mean is that the right to keep and bear arms is an absolute right that government may not violate for any reason. As inconvenient as that may seem to our socialist tainted minds nowadays, that was the intent.

The Justice Department wants to have it both ways. That is why we expect the Supreme Court to seriously consider hearing Emerson -- and we hope they do.

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1. http://laws.findlaw.com/5th/9910331cr0.html

2. http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/u10287.html

 

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 1shallnotmeans; 2unequivocally; 3notprivilege; archaicgunlaws; banglist; billofrights; guncontrol; interpretation; lopez; originalintent; secondamendment; supcrtemerson; viewfedgov; viewpeople
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To: tpaine
He is from Penciltucky and denies your allegations...har de har har har...claims he shot a turkey with it and had instant giblets.
301 posted on 05/14/2002 8:24:00 AM PDT by harrowup
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To: Neil E. Wright; Abundy; philman_36
 Posted by Abundy to Admin Moderator; tpaine

Jim's posting guidelines say no personal attacks Hell, 90% of the posts on this forum are personal attacks, either outright or through thinly veiled "rhetoric." Have you ever been to a WOD thread? I noticed you went right after tpaine and ignored TexasForever's numerous personal attacks...can we all get that list of the "Untouchables" so we don't end up bothering you moderators with abuse notifications that won't amount to anything?

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Posted by philman_36 to tpaine; Admin Moderator; Texasforever

Texasforever...Look -censored- , I asked a question and got an answer.

Admin Moderator...Jim's posting guidelines say no personal attacks. So knock it off.

tpaine...BTW, you might take a glance at #277

I wholeheartedly agree with tpaine! Where are your admonishments, Admin Moderator, to Texasforever who has repeatedly done just that on this and multiple other threads?

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 Posted by Neil E. Wright to tpaine

Thats nothing .. you should see what he sent me in private FRmail ... LOL I responded in kind ..

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Thanks for your support. -- Yep, it's getting pretty obvious that there are some posted *personal attacks* here that are being 'overlooked' while others are being searched out.
Two of mine, #91 & 99, that were pulled last night were a couple of days old. - Pretty weird timing.

Neil, sorry to see you were goaded into the banning trap, - I hope its just a time out.

302 posted on 05/14/2002 8:53:58 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: harrowup
Ahhhh yes, the wilds of Penn state. - But what was his coven 'handle' again? -- It's hard to believe that there are TWO macho man self described gun experts at FR that are so totally out of it as to be virtually a matched pair.

- And, as Mojo once proved in your case, it is easily possible to post from multiple states almost simultainiously, if cost is no object.

303 posted on 05/14/2002 9:12:57 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
I've forgotten his original FR name, but he was best known as Headhunter...and at one time called himself 'SOG3' which got him trouble with the parrot-trooper for pretending to have special ops credentials...that started what the lizard called a chess match and HH quickly made checkers of the lizard and jumped all his hufferpuffs in one move...speaking of the lizard, now in his third year of trying to pass money & banking, scuttlebutt has it that he's going to have to summer school it again.
304 posted on 05/14/2002 9:41:06 AM PDT by harrowup
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To: robertpaulsen
The Second Amendment should ESPECIALLY protect the right to keep and bear machine guns, since these arms have no other practical use than militia weapons!

Actually "bearing" some of them presents something of a challenge, though!

305 posted on 05/14/2002 9:47:35 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: harpseal
Sorry, should have been more precise.
My comment concerning machine guns not being used in WW1 should have read, Sub-machine guns.
I am referring of course, to the history of the Thompson submachine gun, which just missed use in WW1, and instead, was placed on the civilian market.
306 posted on 05/14/2002 4:18:07 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: philman_36
calling someone out

Who did I call out?

307 posted on 05/14/2002 6:09:08 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Who did I call out?
You've forgotten already?
I have yet to see you "rip" anyone. You are too busy drooling. However, I will defend your right to try it with me at any time. So have at it.
Isn't that calling someone out? Or is it just me?
I notice you didn't have any qualms about anything else I said, only about calling someone out.
308 posted on 05/14/2002 6:37:37 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
notice you didn't have any qualms about anything else I said, only about calling someone out.

I only need to prove one lie at a time.

309 posted on 05/14/2002 6:40:36 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I only need to prove one lie at a time.
You've not proven one yet that I see, only propagated another.
310 posted on 05/14/2002 6:44:40 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
You've not proven one yet that I see, only propagated another.

Sure I have you just can't admit it.

311 posted on 05/14/2002 6:47:47 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Sure I have you just can't admit it.
As they say in Missouri...Show me...with the reply number and where or what I've stated that is a lie.
Your "saying so" means "it is so"? HA! Show me...
312 posted on 05/14/2002 6:53:03 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Texasforever
And how am I supposed to admit to something when I don't even know what it is that I'm supposed to admit to?
You'll have to fill in the blank.
313 posted on 05/14/2002 6:54:28 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
You didn't. You are the one that lied. Get it?
314 posted on 05/14/2002 6:54:56 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
You are the one that lied.
Where have I lied? If I have it should be a simple matter for you to post where it is and what it is!
316 posted on 05/14/2002 6:58:34 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: EricOKC
Texasforever...Look prick, I asked a question and got an answer.
Admin Moderator...Jim's posting guidelines say no personal attacks. So knock it off.
tpaine...BTW, you might take a glance at #277
I wholeheartedly agree with tpaine! Where are your admonishments, Admin Moderator, to Texasforever who has repeatedly done just that on this and multiple other threads?
Post 296, though I'm sure it will be deleted as soon as it is noticed.
317 posted on 05/14/2002 7:02:13 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
So here, ladies and gentlemen, is Texasforever in all of his true "glory". Name calling, personal attacks,, "calling someone out", sexual innuendo, and so many other things it isn't even funny.

Oh I don't know how about twisting my defense of Tpaines right to "rip" into his fellow posters into "calling him out"?

318 posted on 05/14/2002 7:03:50 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: EricOKC
BTW, as to your assertion that FAA rules prevent pilots being armed. I just shot ya down. I posted it to you on that thread. I am sure you will thank me later.
319 posted on 05/14/2002 7:07:44 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
sexual innuendo

Where?

320 posted on 05/14/2002 7:09:07 PM PDT by Texasforever
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