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EMERSON & THE SECOND AMENDMENT
Fiedor Report On the News #272 ^ | 5-12-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 05/11/2002 10:23:17 AM PDT by forest

Quite a number of us have been following the U.S. v. Emerson case pertaining to the Second Amendment. Therein, the federal trial court judge wrote one of the finest decisions ever to come out of a federal criminal court -- which tracked perfectly with the original intent of all of the Founding Fathers when they approved the Constitution and later the Bill of Rights.

However, the decision was appealed.

Alas, although the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the lower court that the Second Amendment protects an individual right of the people to keep and bear arms, they reversed that part of the lower court's decision which benefited Emerson.(1) So, Emerson appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is now considering if it will hear the case.

Lawyers speak to the Court through their briefs and last May 6 was the deadline for filing them. In a nutshell, attorneys for Emerson are petitioning the Court to hear the case. Attorneys representing the federal government do not want the Court to hear it.

Last year, in a letter to National Rifle Association, Attorney General John Ashcroft said that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens, and not just to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the Amendment's preamble. "While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a 'collective' right of the states to maintain militias, I believe the amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise," Ashcroft wrote.

It would be kind of hard to support our Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers without agreeing with that. So, Ashcroft's letter got a lot of hopes up around the country. But "saying" it and actually enforcing it are two different things. So, we waited. Meanwhile, people were still being arrested around the country for unconstitutional and archaic gun laws.

Finally, last week, the Attorney General, via two U.S. Supreme Court briefs filed by Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, tied actions to his words. Sort of, anyway.

As Linda Greenhouse reported in The New York Times May 7: "The Justice Department, reversing decades of official government policy on the meaning of the Second Amendment, told the Supreme Court for the first time late Monday that the Constitution 'broadly protects the rights of individuals' to own firearms.

"The position, expressed in a footnote in each of two briefs filed by Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, incorporated the view that Attorney General John Ashcroft expressed a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association. Mr. Ashcroft said that in contrast to the view that the amendment protected only a collective right of the states to organize and maintain militias, he 'unequivocally' believed that 'the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms.'"

Linda Greenhouse was exactly correct. That is what was filed in both Emerson and another case. Unfortunately, "unequivocally" is not exactly what Ashcroft or Olsen intended. Unequivocal would mean that they support the words "shall not be infringed" in the Second Amendment with "no doubt or misunderstanding" and the meaning is "clear and unambiguous."

The words "shall not be infringed" are unequivocal to many of us. "Shall not" is rather clear and needs no explanation to anyone outside of a government office. However, public officials want tight control over the people. Therefore, the Justice Department does not think of our right to keep and bear arms as a "right." Rather, to them it is an inconvenient "privilege" that must be strictly regulated by capricious bureaucrats.

Justice does not want Emerson to be heard by the Supreme Court simply because they know the Court is going to take a very dim view of many gun laws and may wipe our hundreds in one opinion. One only need read Justice Thomas's opinion concurring with the majority in the 1995 U.S. v. Lopez(2) case for a hint. We are sure the Justice Department knows Lopez quite well. Congress tried to regulate guns via the Commerce Clause. But, the Supreme Court did not buy it.

Justice Thomas wrote: "While the principal dissent concedes that there are limits to federal power, the sweeping nature of our current test enables the dissent to argue that Congress can regulate gun possession. But it seems to me that the power to regulate 'commerce' can by no means encompass authority over mere gun possession, any more than it empowers the Federal Government to regulate marriage, littering, or cruelty to animals, throughout the 50 States. Our Constitution quite properly leaves such matters to the individual States, notwithstanding these activities' effects on interstate commerce. Any interpretation of the Commerce Clause that even suggests that Congress could regulate such matters is in need of reexamination."

With that in mind, let's examine some of the Solicitor General's argument filed in Emerson:

"In its brief to the court of appeals, the government argued that the Second Amendment protects only such acts of firearm possession as are reasonably related to the preservation or efficiency of the militia. The current position of the United States, however, is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

That's ten steps in the correct direction, to be sure. But, it most certainly is not "unequivocal" support of the Second Amendment. The Amendment clearly says "shall not." That is greatly different than restricting "possession of types of firearms" as the government wants to continue.

So, saying that the Emerson Appeals Court decision reflected the kind of narrowly tailored restrictions by which that right could reasonably be limited, the Solicitor General requested the Supreme Court to turn down the appeal.

If the government keeps control over our "right" to keep and bear arms, that right, then, becomes degraded to but a privilege.

It was the intent of the Founding Fathers that the American people shall have the unequivocal right to keep and bear arms and that government "shall not" interfere with that right. That intent was for personal arms one may "bear." Not cannon, howitzers, Apache helicopters, or tanks. Small arms only. Therefore, for small arms made to carry, there should be no restriction by government whatsoever.

To do otherwise is to violate the Constitution, as written. Because, restrictions would violate what Ashcroft called "the amendment's plain meaning and original intent" of the Founding Fathers. What the words "shall not" mean is that the right to keep and bear arms is an absolute right that government may not violate for any reason. As inconvenient as that may seem to our socialist tainted minds nowadays, that was the intent.

The Justice Department wants to have it both ways. That is why we expect the Supreme Court to seriously consider hearing Emerson -- and we hope they do.

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1. http://laws.findlaw.com/5th/9910331cr0.html

2. http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/u10287.html

 

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KEYWORDS: 1shallnotmeans; 2unequivocally; 3notprivilege; archaicgunlaws; banglist; billofrights; guncontrol; interpretation; lopez; originalintent; secondamendment; supcrtemerson; viewfedgov; viewpeople
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To: Texasforever
So jackassforever sounds off again. ..... Hey Jerkoff ... got news for you ... my fondness for firearms has nothing to do with my sexual prowess ... If you are misreading Fraud thats your problem ... not mine .. Next!!!!

Toward FREEDOM

281 posted on 05/14/2002 12:30:57 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright
So jackassforever sounds off again. ..... Hey Jerkoff ... got news for you ... my fondness for firearms has nothing to do with my sexual prowess ... If you are misreading Fraud thats your problem ... not mine .. Next!!!!

Well given your obsession with "jerkoff" I does seem that your sexual "prowess" seems to revolve around your right hand. But then again, maybe you need the Joslyn Elder short course.

282 posted on 05/14/2002 12:34:01 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
And still you won't respond with a straight answer to a straight question.

Typical bullshit from the statists.

You assholes bore me. Time to do something more constructive, like maybe watch mold grow on my shower walls.

Toward FREEDOM

285 posted on 05/14/2002 12:47:07 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright
And still you won't respond with a straight answer to a straight question

What question? I think you are smoking that mold on your bathroom wall.

286 posted on 05/14/2002 12:49:17 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: all
I did not push the button on Neil.
287 posted on 05/14/2002 1:08:59 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Neil E. Wright
Adios.
288 posted on 05/14/2002 1:29:23 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Poohbah
BATF???Idiots??? LMAO

Hey, notice I included a field in that list...I figure if there's no one around I can't hurt anybody...

Of course a joking post is always hard to pick up on FR...obviously I wouldn't mix alcohol and a mortar...

289 posted on 05/14/2002 2:54:04 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Roscoe
You think Congress is a judicial body?

No I don't...misread your post. Guess I'm not used to you actually making sense or telling the truth. But hey, a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

290 posted on 05/14/2002 3:02:12 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Admin Moderator; tpaine
Jim's posting guidelines say no personal attacks

Hell, 90% of the posts on this forum are personal attacks, either outright or through thinly veiled "rhetoric." Have you ever been to a WOD thread?

I noticed you went right after tpaine and ignored TexasForever's numerous personal attacks...can we all get that list of the "Untouchables" so we don't end up bothering you moderators with abuse notifications that won't amount to anything?

291 posted on 05/14/2002 3:05:53 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Texasforever
Are you allowed private personal target practice?

Are you allowed to think for yourself? Or are you required to get permission from your masters in DC prior to wiping your @ss?

You really ought to change your screenname, had the Alamo been womaned by individuals like you they would have surrendered without firing a shot.

I figured you out...you are a Frenchman living in Texas????

Don't bother replying...I thought your first post to me was a joke in response to a post that was truly intended as humor...obviously it is you who are the joke.

292 posted on 05/14/2002 3:10:03 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Texasforever; EricOKC; Lazamataz
However in Texas guns are just tools NOT measure of manhood.
Oh really? You've indicated otherwise before, showing that at one time or another you've changed your position. My, how some things do and don't change in the course of two days, and how soon you forget.

Hey Laz...your "little buddy" is making more "nicknames for Richard" comparisons again.
As I said, I'm the only one who'll take what you said to heart. I've made no comments at all for two days. Where are you to jump on him and correct him?
Ample evidence again, "Tex", that you're no gentleman.

293 posted on 05/14/2002 4:31:48 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Texasforever
It is ridiculous to have to explain this to a supposedly adult man.
Calling someone else a child now I see.
You're so predictable and repetitive.
294 posted on 05/14/2002 4:34:06 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Texasforever; tpaine
I have yet to see you "rip" anyone. You are too busy drooling. However, I will defend your right to try it with me at any time. So have at it.
And another challenge. Definitely repetitive. This is just a carbon copy of the other day with someone else! You're also transparent.
You're really getting to be too much.
295 posted on 05/14/2002 4:39:36 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: tpaine; Admin Moderator; Texasforever
Texasforever...Look prick, I asked a question and got an answer.
Admin Moderator...Jim's posting guidelines say no personal attacks. So knock it off.
tpaine...BTW, you might take a glance at #277
I wholeheartedly agree with tpaine! Where are your admonishments, Admin Moderator, to Texasforever who has repeatedly done just that on this and multiple other threads?
296 posted on 05/14/2002 4:49:32 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Texasforever
Friend, that would get you an ass kicking anywhere in the city.
And you're just the one to administer it too, aren't you "Tex".
297 posted on 05/14/2002 4:51:27 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: forest
Related reading
298 posted on 05/14/2002 4:56:03 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: all
So here, ladies and gentlemen, is Texasforever in all of his true "glory". Name calling, personal attacks, "calling someone out", sexual innuendo, and so many other things it isn't even funny.
Multiple, repeated replys all showing the same repetitive "skills" and I'm sure it will all be the same again tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. Having been on the receiving end of the diatribes for some time I know of which I speak.
And the band plays on...

Good day, to one and all.

299 posted on 05/14/2002 4:58:05 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Drammach
A couple of historical points. First, the Miller decision was only dealing with possession of a short barreled shotgun. There were no arguments made for Miller as only the United States gfovernment presented argumants in the case. The Court ruled that in the absence of any evidence linking possession of a sawed off shotgun to a militia the tax law was upheld. Now machine guns were used extensively in World War I. It was to deal with the carnage of machine guns that the tank was developed. You are correct about short barreled shotguns being used in the trenches. The Gatling gun was used in the American Civil War. The US Army used machine guns during the Spanish American War and in the relief of Peking at the turn of the Century. Likewise machine guns were used in the pursuit of Pancho Villa by General Pershing's troops.

The modern machine gun was invented by Hiram Maxim in the 1880's. The Maxim guns were extensively employed by British colonial forces in the latter part of the 19th Century.

In fact the Gavernments choice of US vs Miller as the test case for the NFA was probably cynically chosen to not include a machine gun.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

300 posted on 05/14/2002 7:25:22 AM PDT by harpseal
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