Condi Rice Invited Bill Clinton to Head East Timor Delegation

ABC News Morning Political Insider Tip Sheet 'The Note' ^ | May 9, 2002 | Elizabeth Winter and Mark Halperin

[codebreaker]

And here we were thinking that the Bush Administration's reaching out to President Clinton and offering him a role in the big East Timor delegation could be a long awaited reapproachment between the Clintons and the Bushes.

Ever since USA Today ace reporter Bill Nichols broke the story of the appointment earlier this week, things have kind of slid downhill.

The Clintonistas haven't liked all framing the backgound quotes that have described the reasons for the assignment, and one former Clinton aide has now gone so far as to tell 'The Note' in a huff exactly what they haven't liked.

'The (Administration's) use of the word accommodate. They are not accommodating us. Clinton did not want to go to East Timor. He was invited by Condi Rice. Once he was able to move his schedule around, he accepted her invitation to HEAD the delegation. And all this happened in March.'

'They should really stop their lies and stop being cute about this and just stand up for once and do the right thing.' (ed.-!)

Their unhappiness, they say, is on the staff level.

And Clinton, they say, had already been invited by Kofi Annan to be part of the UN delegation.

[BeAChooser]

Coming from one whose vapidity has been evident from Day One

Oh, I have a lot of zest and I'm anything but dull. So go ahead, Poohbah. Point out the hypocrisy in ANYTHING I've posted on this forum to date. But, in return, allow me to list some of disinformation you've posted. For example, when asked if Klayman can do anything about the criminal violations Klayman uncovered, you responded:

No, he cannot. More to the point, neither can anyone else--because it was found in civil discovery and not a criminal investigation, and Fifth Amendment guarantees basically wind up forbidding the use of ANY evidence developed during a civil deposition in a criminal case. Any investigation started solely on the basis of these depositions is tainted, and any fruit of such an investigation is thrown out in the courts.

Anyone out there want to agree with Poohbah ... that Bush is POWERLESS to investigate and prosecute the crimes that Klayman helped uncover ... like Chinagate, Filegate and Emailgate ... because of ANYTHING in the Fifth Amendment? What? Noone wants to agree with Poohbah? In fact, let me repeat my UNANSWERED challenge to you, Poohbah, when you uttered this NONSENSE. Post for us the text in the Fifth Amendment that says this. Post ANY written interpretation by the Supreme Court that says ANYTHING of the sort. In fact post for us ANY statement by the Bush DOJ that says this. Post for us ANY statement by anyone in the GOP that makes this claim.

You won't be able to post anything because it is most certainly as baseless a statement as your suggestion that Klayman was a Clinton employee (yeah ... Poohbah made that ridiculous claim too) and I sincerely doubt that any legal eagle on this forum is going to join you in such an obvious attempt to DISHONESTLY move-on from the crimes the democRATS committed. The Paula Jones CIVIL case alone proves that what you claimed is TOTALLY untrue. Recall that even the democRATS said that IF we conservatives wanted to charge Clinton with crimes stemming from the lies he told during discovery in that case, we just had to wait till he was out of office. And a fine lawyer named Schippers (remember him?) said that IF the statute of limitations had not expired, he personally would have charged Clinton with rape based on the evidence discovered during the Paula Jones CIVIL suit.

On another occasion when I asked "do you see ANY sign that he (Ashcroft) is investigating (the crimes that the democRATS committed)?" you tried to suggest that he was, responding " Attorneys General do not investigate by press release " so I then issued this challenge:

Care to name another high profile criminal investigation, involving HUNDREDS of witnesses (many of whom are/were top government officials and people from other countries), involving HUNDREDS of broken laws ... some as serious as MASS MURDER ... where ANY mention of that investigation was not leaked ... if not by the government then by the witnesses or targets of the investigation? And AGAIN you ran because you couldn't name one.

And here you are today, still spinning to protect Clinton. I've said it before ... your SOLE purpose on this forum is keep the CRIMES of the Clintons and DNC from being investigated by the current DOJ and FBI. THAT is why Bush making Clinton a diplomat works for YOU.

Now go to your stealth democRAT debating tactics manual for some fresh invectives to spew at me. You don't want to appear "vapid", do you?

[BeAChooser]

They were too tedious, as is your outrage.

Where is the harm in addressing whether Clinton and his crew (I presume he will be bringing his leftovers from the previous administration) are going to get access to secret materials? Doesn't that concern you or were all those statements that move-on'er made expressing distrust of Clinton HOLLOW?

[DooDahhhh]

yeah to Michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DooDahhhh]

yeah to Michael!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jackie]

To: I Told You So

Bubber is caca.

[BunnySlippers]

He was invited by Condi Rice.

Wow! More proof that she is presidential material. She shunted the Big Creep off to an obsqure spot.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

What the heck, he can play the bongos, dressed in a loin cloth and smoke a cigar. Not all bad!

[d14truth]

Look at the bright side--

At least BillyBoy will probably get to chat with his 'old friend' Riady re the 'soft coal' situation, and maybe even pick up a check for his wife.

Deceit And Deception - US Dealings in Indonesia

"In 1998, the US Commerce Department returned a "blacked-out" version of a document titled "Indonesia Advocacy Projects" that it had previously sent in full to my US sources. It was a mistake which perhaps goes some way now towards explaining why the US is reluctant to become involved in the East Timor crisis.

"On November 16, 1994, President Bill Clinton and the late Secretary of Commerce, Ron Brown, travelled to Jakarta for the Asia Pacific Economic Conference (APEC), at which Clinton signed deals to supply Indonesia with electric power using US taxpayer loans. The deals were worth billions of dollars to US corporations such as Cal Energy, Mission Energy (now named Edison Mission Energy) and General Electric."

[d14truth]

Some really good, informative 'links' off that article for those interested. www.easttimor.com

I don't sense that it is a 'tourist mecca' yet. {;~)

[StarFan]

When this story was first posted there was outrage here on FR

Guilty as charged although I didn't express my views on the forum. I don't want him to get anymore press than he's been getting what with his possible talk show, appearing on stage at the Tribeca film festival with his hollyweird budies, and all manner of things here in New York. We have enough to deal with 24/7 of Hillary (either attending a broadway show with her armed secret service ruining their sound system); Barbara Walters impressed with her vast knowledge and drooling over the fact that she can deliver a speech without notes; her weekly appearance on John Gambling radio show and now Dick Morris making the talk show circuit saying she will run in 2008 AND WIN. We're being saturated with Xlintoons at every turn and the only press I welcome is when they're both indicted for pardongate.

[section9]

Wow! More proof that she is presidential material. She shunted the Big Creep off to an obsqure spot.

You'll notice that Condi, in one fell swoop, sent Beelzebubba off to East Timf*#k and got him out of the Middle East Negotiating Sweepstakes.

A lot of Rats in the press and on the Hill have been lobbying Bush to send Wild Bill the Mannequin F*&ker to make the Deal of the Century with Arafat and Sharon.

Bill Clinton will think long and hard before underestimating Condi Rice again.

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice plays Bill Clinton like a Steinway.

The Big Ol' Doofus has this to look forward to.....

Thousands of Timorese males take to the streets of Dili, capitol of East Timor, to protest the impending visit of Former President Bill Clinton to East Timor's Independence Day celebration. Chants of "...hands off our Women!" were heard, along with "...No interns, no peace!"

Yet another reason to anticipate the bitch slapping that Condi will give her Democratic opponent in 2008.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[CARepubGal]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What an elegant slam to Xi42! GO CONDI GO! I wonder if we can send Powell with the sinkmeister.

[MJY1288]

After taking the night off from FR, I wake up this morning to see that a LONE CLYMER has visited this thread. As you can see, not too many people are a stick in the mud like yourself. As far as calling all of us "Movin on'ers", What would you "Stuck inthe past'ers" like this administration to do? Waste 4 years trying to do something Ken Starr and Larry Klayman couldn't do in their 300 million dollar investigation?. But if you have the goods on that scumbag X42, Our Nation looks to you to make a citizen's arrest. But I don't want this President wasting his term in office, and MY tax dollars on him. Face it.. We had the chance to get him and we lost. GET OVER IT RE-RUN

[MJY1288]

LOL,

[BeAChooser]

After taking the night off from FR, I wake up this morning to see that a LONE CLYMER has visited this thread.

Is that the only response you move-on'ers EVER have to the quite reasonable questions I asked about this issue ... foul language? YES OR NO ... will Clinton and his staff have access to secret information? YES OR NO ... will Clinton's staff include any those implicated in the campaign finance violations involving Riady, Huang and others from that part of the world? YES OR NO ... will Clinton be able to return materials to the US without going through customs? YES OR NO ... does it really serve US interests to be represented by a person who in all probability is a SERIAL RAPIST and WORSE? Why do you move-on'ers have as much trouble dealing with FACTS as democRATS? Why do you instead do just what they do and reduce your side of the argument to foul language and adhominen attacks? Perhaps those are the most troubling questions of all if you are in fact Republicans as you claim.

As you can see, not too many people are a stick in the mud like yourself. As far as calling all of us "Movin on'ers", What would you "Stuck inthe past'ers" like this administration to do? Waste 4 years trying to do something Ken Starr and Larry Klayman couldn't do in their 300 million dollar investigation?.

Why are you move-on'ers so OBSESSED with Bill Clinton? The crimes that were committed were not committed by one lone "creep". DOZENS of top level democRATS were involved in those crimes and covering up those crimes. Why are you so eager to ignore that and sweep this all under the rugs when many of those people are still in government and still active in their party? For crying out loud, these people committed very serious crimes ... like election tampering which threatens the very process by which we choose our representatives. They gathered and probably have blackmailed numerous Republicans with information that they ILLEGALLY acquired from perhaps THOUSANDS of FBI files. They intimidated and threatened witnesses in numerous matters such as Emailgate. They corrupted the IRS, FBI, DOJ, INS, the courts, the military and no doubt many other agencies of the government. And a very credible case can be made that they MURDERED two high level government employees (Foster and Brown) to keep them from testifying about the crimes they committed and the secrets they sold to potential enemies.

You ask what I expect? I tell you what I expect ... I EXPECT our President to fullfill his oath of office and see to it that the laws of this country are enforced ... especially in matters as serious as those listed above. I EXPECT the Attorney General to do the same. I again challenge you move-on'ers to point out ANY language in the Constitution or other legal documents you can find that give the President the right to ignore certain crimes just because he believes it is politically expedient for his party. You can't do it.

Now, you CLAIM that Ken Starr and Judicial Watch investigated these matters. UNTRUE. Most of the matters I just listed were NEVER looked at by Starr and, in fact, one might credibly wonder whether Starr was an honest investigator. I am still waiting for even ONE of you move-on'ers to explain why we should trust Starr when he allowed the Whitehouse to keep the illegally acquired FBI files for YEARS after he himself told the American public that it was illegal for them to have the files. I am still waiting for an explanation as to why Starr did and said NOTHING when the Whitehouse FALSELY announced that they had returned the files. Starr was the #2 name on a list of potential independent counsels compiled by CLINTON. You have your head in the sand if you think he was anything but a tool of the Clintons and DNC. He deliberately distracted attention from the matters that really threatened the Clintons and their staff. His investigation of Filegate was a SHAM. His investigation of Foster's death was a SHAM. And Monica surfaced at exactly the same time that questions about Ron Brown's death finally started to get some attention in the media and black community. What a coincidence.

As for Klayman, he did this country a service that you move-on'ers don't appreciate. And he NEVER EVER had the ability to properly investigate and prosecute the CRIMINAL violations of those in the Clinton administration and DNC. That was and still is the job ... no, the DUTY ... of Ashcroft.

But if you have the goods on that scumbag X42,

Hollow words by someone who wants to LOOK like a conservative ... by someone who is comfortable ignoring crimes as serious as murder ... by someone who has no problem with the idea that our nation (WE) are represented by a probable SERIAL RAPIST. I don't care if East Timor is on the moon ... it is plain and simply WRONG for Bush to involve Clinton in ANYTHING involving our government.

But I don't want this President wasting his term in office, and MY tax dollars on him. Face it.. We had the chance to get him and we lost.

What is this OBSESSION with Clinton all about? Why don't you want to protect the sanctity of our election process? Aren't you concerned about the uses to which those FBI files might be put? Doesn't the potential MURDER of a Secretary of Commerce (as suggested by the testimony of MILITARY OFFICERS, by the way) trouble you? Why do you suggest that we accept the result from an OBVIOUSLY biased Senate and not rely on our law enforcement and judicial system? Do you want to live in a dictatorship where leaders and party officials are immune to our laws ... where SHAM trials in political bodies are the norm? It sure seems that way.

[The Great Satan]

The fact that East Timor is about as far from the United States as any spot on earth is a bit of a giveaway, isn't it? But, maybe if Clinton is on his best behaviour, Condi'll give him a gig in Timbuktu next.

[MJY1288]

So your answer is to bash this president because he won't do as you wish, Like I said... If you have the proof of wrong doing you have the right as an american citizen to present your evidence to a federal prosecutor and they can let you know if your charges have merit. Don't waste your time here by posting your theories, take them to someone who might listen to you. Personally I believe you read NEWSMAX too much, Have a great day

[BeAChooser]

So your answer is to bash this president because he won't do as you wish,

No, my answer is to defend the OFFICE of the President and what that means. If I have to CRITICIZE Bush and you move-on'ers because he is NOT doing what the CONSTITUTION says he is supposed to do and which you move-on'ers want to ignore, so be it. Just to remind you, his oath of office was

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

and Article 2 of the Constitution includes the following verbage regarding the President's duties:

"He shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed".

Now if you want to argue that no laws were broken by the last adminstration, then fine, have at it. I'm sure that would totally discredit you on this forum. Otherwise, you show me where Bush is doing ANYTHING to FAITHFULLY EXECUTE (or even investigate) the laws that were broken by the democRATS, some of which I mentioned in my last several posts. If you don't, then you demonstrating just what I said ... that you are either stealth democRAT or a new breed of Republican who in very important and dangerous ways is no different than the democRATS that we all claim to despise.

Like I said... If you have the proof of wrong doing you have the right as an american citizen to present your evidence to a federal prosecutor and they can let you know if your charges have merit.

And this statement is just as ridiculous a notion as those proposed by Poohbah about the 5th Amendment. You are only showing your own hypocrisy and dishonesty in the way you are trying to avoid placing responsibility where it lies. Either that or you are saying that the people in the DOJ and Oval Office are so incompetent that they aren't aware that crimes were committed. And I rather doubt that.

Personally I believe you read NEWSMAX too much,

So is this your way of saying you don't believe any crimes were committed? "Personally", I don't think you even understand what the Constitution and this country are all about.

[BeAChooser]

Ping to post #98 since I mentioned your name and views.

[MJY1288]

I give up, I believe everything you say, after your 50,000 word manifesto how could I disagree?

Where do I sign up for such a torturous life?

How can I join your miserable existence?

How long do you think it will take for me to adopt your narrow views?

And how many years will it take to equal your level of intelligence?

PLEASE ANSWER IN 7,500 WORDS OR LESS < sarcasm/ >Off