Posted on 05/09/2002 8:35:04 AM PDT by codebreaker
And here we were thinking that the Bush Administration's reaching out to President Clinton and offering him a role in the big East Timor delegation could be a long awaited reapproachment between the Clintons and the Bushes.
Ever since USA Today ace reporter Bill Nichols broke the story of the appointment earlier this week, things have kind of slid downhill.
The Clintonistas haven't liked all framing the backgound quotes that have described the reasons for the assignment, and one former Clinton aide has now gone so far as to tell 'The Note' in a huff exactly what they haven't liked.
'The (Administration's) use of the word accommodate. They are not accommodating us. Clinton did not want to go to East Timor. He was invited by Condi Rice. Once he was able to move his schedule around, he accepted her invitation to HEAD the delegation. And all this happened in March.'
'They should really stop their lies and stop being cute about this and just stand up for once and do the right thing.' (ed.-!)
Their unhappiness, they say, is on the staff level.
And Clinton, they say, had already been invited by Kofi Annan to be part of the UN delegation.
No, you are RUNNING, just like democRATS do when faced with the fact that their leader and their party committed serious crimes. You are RUNNING, just like democRATS, because you are faced with the apparent fact that your leader is violating his oath of office and ignoring some very serious crimes ... crimes that in fact threaten the very existance of this nation as a republic. And as much as you move-on'ers would like, these are not simple issues to be dealt with by the one line sound bites you generally show up to write. My "manifisto"s as you call them, are simply lists of reasonable questions that you move-on'ers ALWAYS avoid answering ... because you know that honest answers would demolish the credibility of the spin you are trying to pull over on others in this and other issues.
Where do I sign up for such a torturous life? How can I join your miserable existence?
My existence is anything by "miserable". I, on the other hand, wonder how you can look in the mirror each morning knowing that in order to get through the day you have to create a fiction that does not fit the facts.
How long do you think it will take for me to adopt your narrow views?
You mean the narrow views of the men who designed the Constitution? Because that is all I'm proposing ... that we trust in the document and processes they designed, rather than the judgement of one man or one party.
And how many years will it take to equal your level of intelligence?
This is nothing but an adhominem attack ... and a false one at that. I don't claim to be above your level of intelligence or anyone elses? But I can show you numerous instances in discussions with move-on'ers where I have been called a moron and worse. I think you are more than capable of understanding the implications of the facts as I and others have laid them out. I also trust in the ability of most Americans to do the same, IF they are supplied with all the facts ... which sadly, the media and both parties have been derilect in providing these last 9 years (maybe longer). I have a high opinion of the basic goodness and intelligence of Americans. It is the democRATS and move-on'ers who don't have faith in Americans and their abilities. And the proof is that I'm willing to let these matters go before the courts ... and you are not.
PLEASE ANSWER IN 7,500 WORDS OR LESS < sarcasm/ >Off
PLEASE address the facts ... not the length of my posts.
It is even funnier when you realize that Clinton didn't really support East Timor's independence from his friends in Indonesia.
It may be even way more funny because this East Timor may put Clinton out of the country when the NY democratic convention convenes.
Ditto.
Bill Clinton is becoming more and more insignificant with each passing day. This is due to the fact that George W. Bush is not focused on him or obsessed with bringing him to justice. IMHO justice comes in many forms and the justice that Bill Clinton faces will haunt him far more than a orange jump suit or a prison cell. His obsession on his legacy will be his punishment. Bill Clinton was always able to spin his way out of controversy with the media's blessing, as time passes his legacy will not be able to be spun. It will hit him harder with each passing year (YOU WATCH). His enablers are not loyal to anything and their greed and selfishness will lead them to talk about Bill Clinton's crimes and the history books will serve as our justice.
For this President to order John Ashcroft to seek justice now will only deliver the White House back to the RATS in 2004, and trying to convince these rabid Libertarians and Disruptors around of anything else is a waste of time. The Libertarians think by destroying the republican party it will help them, but history has shown it just weakens them. They used to have a good amount of influence, but the numbers on election day has shown that are at an all time low and their short sighted vision of reality is not doing them any favors. So I choose to ignore a good portion of them and this "Stuck-in-the-Past'r" ranks high on the list of candidtates for being ignored
So there you have it, folks, the truth about how informed MJY1288 and I suggest all the other move-on'ers try to be. They are no different then sheeple. First they PRETEND to be conservatives by mouthing some innocuous sounding one liner registering their "disgust" about Clinton or his "wife". Then when challenged to actually discuss the facts in the crimes that were committed and why those crimes aren't even being investigated, they deflect, deny and, of course, accuse one of being "unconservative" for even bringing up the subject. Then when that fails, they RUN, like democRATS do, while sometimes (as in this case) admitting that ignorance is bliss. What was that phrase from the book 1984? You know the one I mean.
Ditto.
Oh yes ... I forgot the final refuge of move-on'ers and democRATS. Talking among themselves ... congratulating each other for their ignorance.
Like I said ... the last refuge. SPIN SPIN SPIN. So why the obsession with Clinton, MJY1288? Don't you care that many of the criminals associated with Clinton still remain in goverment (yes, even inside the Bush administration), still control the democRAT party, still are working to return to the White House? No?
Bill Clinton is becoming more and more insignificant with each passing day.
Why your obsession with Clinton, MJY1288? Could it be an attempt to deflect attention away from the points I just made about Clinton's criminal associates? And you say he's insignificant? His legends still love him and will still vote for whoever he annoints. He's making money hand over foot and even has a "gig" representing the Bush administration in one of his favorite parts of the world (afterall, that where many of the illegal millions he and his democRAT pals got came from!).
This is due to the fact that George W. Bush is not focused on him or obsessed with bringing him to justice.
Why this obsession with Clintion, MJY1288? What about the people who apparently helped him cover up the murder of Ron Brown and the 34 others who were on Brown's plane when it "crashed"? You do believe that Ron Brown didn't die as the Clinton administration maintains ... don't you? And what about the criminals who helped cover up what happened to Vince Foster and why it happened? Or do you believe it was the innocent "suicide" that Clinton's people maintained? And what about the missing FBI files and all those who did all the work illegally obtaining them and illegally loading them onto Whitehouse computers and illegally transfering the information to DNC databases and home computers? Just going to ignore that too? Then how do I know that any candidate you bless isn't being blackmailed by the democRATS?
IMHO justice comes in many forms and the justice that Bill Clinton faces will haunt him far more than a orange jump suit or a prison cell. His obsession on his legacy will be his punishment.
Obsession? What about your obsession with Bill Clinton? The only thing haunting Bill is the MILLIONS in illegal money in his many bank accounts and what lies he will spread at his next public appearance. The only thing haunting Clinton is the FEAR that he and his pals just MIGHT get investigated FOR REAL (although that's looking less and less likely which should cause people to question the motivations of the GOP). All this talk about Bill's "legacy" is just move-on'er SPIN. Just a way for move-on'ers to make people think history will judge Clinton poorly ... as if that will make up for all the mayhem he and his people caused.
Bill Clinton was always able to spin his way out of controversy with the media's blessing, as time passes his legacy will not be able to be spun. It will hit him harder with each passing year (YOU WATCH).
Yeah ... sure. All the future will do is point at the diplomatic assignment that Bush gave Clinton and say "see ... all the bad things they said about him must have been right-wing lies because even Bush, his most ardent opponent (LOL!) trusted him enough to keep him in government."
For this President to order John Ashcroft to seek justice now will only deliver the White House back to the RATS in 2004,
Wrong. Ignoring the crimes will only deliver the White House to an even more corrupt democRAT OR Republican party in 2004 ... and 2008 ... and 2012 and .... Think about it ...
Ignore the crimes and the democRATS will know that a President who controls the media (like they did AND STILL DO) and the law enforcement arm of the Federal government (like Clinton did and to some extent still does) can get away with ANYTHING. The democRATS will know that they can plead the 5th, lie or just pretend a memory lapse and the Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know that they can steal elections (they came within a hair of doing so in Florida and they succeeded in several other states) and Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know that after they commit the crimes, and Republicans are back in power, Republicans STILL won't do anything ... even if they have mountains of evidence proving the crimes. The democRATS will know that they can ILLEGALLY examine the FBI files for damaging information on their opponents and publish the information in their controlled media ... and the Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know they can both destroy the evidence of their wrong doing or simply disconnect the systems that are supposed to preserve a "paper trail" of government activities ... and the GOP will do nothing. The democRATS will know they can KILL high level members of the government who threaten to expose their activities and Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know that they can abuse the IRS, FBI and MILITARY, turning them into instruments for distracting the public from reports that might damage them or even use them to harass their enemies ... and the Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know that they can intimidate, smear and lie about anyone who threatens them and the Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know that they can get campaign funds from illegal sources (even by selling US secrets to the enemy) and Republicans will do NOTHING. The democRATS will know they can win the next election by STEALING it ... and there won't be a thing the Republicans can do. It will be too late.
And it is not only a matter of convincing democRATS that their leadership is corrupt. If the GOP ignores the crimes the democRATS committed, they leave people like me (life-long Republicans) wondering whether we really can trust Republicans to properly investigate crimes by Republicans ... or even whether they might not commit crimes, just like the democRATS did, in order to stay in power. After all, why should we trust Republicans, if they won't even investigate crimes as serious as MURDER ... BY DEMOCRATS?
So I choose to ignore a good portion of them and this "Stuck-in-the-Past'r" ranks high on the list of candidtates for being ignored
As you say Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. RUN, move-on'er.
But you are not ignoring me, are you?
In fact, in addition to not ignoring me, you are arguing like a democRAT argues ... with nothing but insults.
YES or NO? Will Clinton and his staff have access to classified materials in his new, Bush appointed, job?
YES or NO? Do you believe that Ron Brown died "by accident"? (That's my democRAT litmus test, by the way.)
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