Posted on 05/07/2002 10:19:58 PM PDT by sourcery
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So was I. I remain unaware of ionic chemistry or any other chemistry in the solution/precipitation of sugars. IIRC, unlike, say, table salt, sugars are covalent-bonded compounds that are not ionized in solution.
When you drop a sugar cube in water, collisions with the freely-moving and energetic water molecules overcome the adhesion of the sugars with each other. The sugars are unaffected chemically. They're still sugar. By comparision, a crystal of sodium chloride becomes little Na+ and Cl- ions which are free to recombine with anything else in the solution.
It's just another trivial tangent, of course.
Yes, the second law can be interpreted to mean that certain things will not happen "spontaneously." Heat will not spontaneously flow from cold temperature regions to high-temperature regions. "Spontaneously" here means "with release of stored internal energy." "Non-spontaneously" would be "by application of external energy."
There's nothing about order in any of this, or the need for intelligent direction, or the need for design. No basic law of physics makes reference to intelligent direction or design, because the laws of physics are the same in all cases. "There's nothing you can do that can't be done." -- Lennon/McCartney
Hmm. Sugar crystals are molecular structures held together by Van der Waal's forces and hydrogen bonds. Covalent is reserved for crystals like diamonds.
For one example of sugars considered as covalent compounds, Are Ionic Bonds Stronger Than Covalent?
A page on Covalent Bonding. A more detailed treatment.
A page on hydrogen bonds. Another one.
The hydrogen bond is approximately 30 times weaker than a normal covalent bond, because only one of the contributing atoms is supplying electrons to it; the two electrons stay mainly concentrated near the oxygen. Because the hydrogen bond is so weak, it is easily broken. At room temperature, thermal energy is enough to break hydrogen bonds. In liquid water the whole network of hydrogen bonds ``flickers,'' each bond making and breaking again in a millionth of a microsecond. It is this network of flickering hydrogen bonds that gives liquid water its unique properties.
Finally, this page on the types of bonds.
Hydrogen bonding differs from other uses of the word "bond" since it is a force of attraction between a hydrogen atom in one molecule and a small atom of high electronegativity in another molecule. That is, it is an intermolecular force, not an intramolecular force as in the common use of the word bond.
Of course, this is just a trivial diversion.
You are both right. The confusion here is to what bonding we are talking about. Covalent bonding does not occur between molecules. It occurs within a molecule. It comes about because the wave function for the paired electrons involves multiple centers. The bonding being described in the article and in the dissolving of sugars is bonding between molecules. These are typically much weaker than covalent and true ionic bonds. A diamond is thus one huge molecule, graphite is also composed of sheets of molecules, and bucky balls are typically a 60 carbon molecule.
Each of those are covalently bonded within the "molecule". Sucrose on the other hand is constructed of covalent bonds, but a sugar crystal is held together by weaker hydrogen bonding(and others). This is evident in that sugar dissolves in polar solvents, like water but not in non-polar sovents like hexane. Diamond doesn't dissolve.
All I was really going for was that sugar doesn't dissociate in dissolving/crystallizing. It's a basically mechanical process.
Right. We were talking past each other totally, per usual.
So have your nanotech induce electron-capture. Turn your Oxygen 16 into Nitrogen 16 . Then, if your Nitrogen 16 emitts two Neutrons, they would decay to become Hydrogen. Voila`. Humanity takes over the Universe.
K-capture does happen (it's how potassium40 becomes argon40). But I doubt we know a neat trick for inducing it.
That reminds me. A woman is driving on a windy mountain road and as she comes around a bend she almost hits a wild pig. A little later she sees an oncoming car and rolls down the window to warn the driver. "Pig!" she yells and points. The stunned driver rolls down his window and yells "Bitch!"
LOL! Utterly off-topic but:
A salesman is driving along a country road when he sees a pig crossing in front of him. The pig is missing its hind legs but has little wagon wheels strapped under it and is thus able to motor right along.Intrigued, the man stops at the farmhouse where the farmer is sitting on the porch.
"I couldn't help but notice a most unusual pig. What's the story there?"
The farmer was happy to explain.
"Let me tell you about that pig. My boy was playin' by the stream an' he fell in. 'Bout drowned but that pig heard his screams, jumped in, and pulled him out. Smart as any dog, that pig!"
"That's amazing!" said the salesman.
"Then we had a fire one night. That pig come in the house an' woke us all up. Saved us all."
"That's amazing too!," the salesman said. "But what about his hind legs?"
"Well," the farmer said. "You wouldn' wanna eat a pig like that all at once, wouldja?"
Yes, but then just a little further on she just avoids running over Lassie.
Ha!
Trying to get the thread LOCKED are ya?
I've heard that every Lassie there ever was was male. Worse than Mary Martin playing Peter Pan.
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