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From Molecular Movements To Nanoconstruction Tools
UniSci.com ^ | 07-May-2002

Posted on 05/07/2002 10:19:58 PM PDT by sourcery

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1 posted on 05/07/2002 10:19:58 PM PDT by sourcery
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Isn't Sandia a weapons laboratory?
2 posted on 05/07/2002 10:33:05 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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Yes. And I'd say that was a pertinent observation, actually. Who knows what we're not being told?
3 posted on 05/07/2002 10:35:19 PM PDT by sourcery
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The future is going to be and exciting and scary place- and it's almost here.
4 posted on 05/08/2002 6:28:31 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Physicist; Doctor Stochastic; VadeRetro; AndrewC; ImaGraftedBranch; apochromat; RightWhale...
FYI
5 posted on 05/08/2002 9:01:53 AM PDT by sourcery
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The researchers created an artificial cell membrane made of "phospholipid bilayers" -- rows of long molecules that, like empty soda bottles bobbing on water, self-organize into an orderly heads-up/tails-down formation.

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The process was performed repeatedly on the same membranes with the same result -- reversible reorganization.

Astounding numbers of people will tell you this can't happen without The Designer. Oh, wait! The experiment had a designer. Yes, but the designer of this experiment doesn't tell the molecules where to go.

6 posted on 05/08/2002 9:43:13 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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Oh, wait! The experiment had a designer. Yes, but the designer of this experiment doesn't tell the molecules where to go.

Welcome to science, almost.

Although producing such chemical recognition events on an artificial membrane is not an achievement in itself, examining them with such fidelity is, says Sasaki.

Tide™ or Cheer™, water and Mazola™ corn oil display some of the same "self-organizeing" ability.

7 posted on 05/08/2002 11:25:46 AM PDT by AndrewC
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Tide™ or Cheer™, water and Mazola™ corn oil display some of the same "self-organizeing" ability.

Only not so easily reversible. Thank you for allowing my main point to pass uncontested. The deliberate misconstruction of the Second Law used to support creationism rules out many things known to occur and is clearly fallacious.

8 posted on 05/08/2002 3:34:28 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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The deliberate misconstruction of the Second Law used to support creationism rules out many things known to occur and is clearly fallacious.

Boy that is a circuitous route to point out something akin to sugar crystallizing out of a sugar solution. That is quite a bit different than a house crystallizing out of a load of bricks, or a cell organizing itself from a soup.

9 posted on 05/08/2002 4:32:49 PM PDT by AndrewC
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Boy that is a circuitous route to point out something akin to sugar crystallizing out of a sugar solution. That is quite a bit different than a house crystallizing out of a load of bricks, or a cell organizing itself from a soup.

True, there are no chemical reactions in the crystallization of sugar from solution. That makes it qualitatively different from the processes in the main article or anything in abiogenesis.

10 posted on 05/08/2002 4:37:50 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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Note: Astounding numbers of people will tell you this can't happen without The Designer. Oh, wait! The experiment had a designer. Yes, but the designer of this experiment doesn't tell the molecules where to go.

The deliberate misconstruction of the Second Law used to support creationism rules out many things known to occur and is clearly fallacious.

There are still people who wittingly or not tout a version of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics that characterizes any seeming increase in "order" impossible without intelligent direction. They remain wrong.

11 posted on 05/08/2002 4:43:42 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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so, can i whip up a batch of gold with this stuff...or maybe do a weird science thing?
12 posted on 05/08/2002 4:50:20 PM PDT by galt-jw
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True, there are no chemical reactions in the crystallization of sugar from solution. That makes it qualitatively different from the processes in the main article

I disagree with that, both involve the breaking/creation of ionic bonds.

13 posted on 05/08/2002 4:53:41 PM PDT by AndrewC
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world_cup_conspiracy
14 posted on 05/08/2002 4:53:57 PM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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so, can i whip up a batch of gold with this stuff...or maybe do a weird science thing?

Weird science, maybe. If you want to transmute elements, talk to medved's friend, Dr. Robert Bass, one of the premier mathematicians in the country.

</sarcasm>

Transmutin' elements is a nuclear reaction thing.

15 posted on 05/08/2002 4:54:13 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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I disagree with that, both involve the breaking/creation of ionic bonds.

Sucrose ionizes in solution? New one on me.

16 posted on 05/08/2002 4:55:10 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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2nd Law of Thermodynamics that characterizes any seeming increase in "order" impossible without intelligent direction. They remain wrong.

True. However, it does "prohibit" some order/disorder from "naturally" occuring. Can you uncook an egg?

17 posted on 05/08/2002 4:58:02 PM PDT by AndrewC
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True. However, it does "prohibit" some order/disorder from "naturally" occuring. Can you uncook an egg?

It may be tough to uncook an egg, but the standard 2nd Law isn't about order. Thermodynamic entropy isn't logical entropy. It doesn't explicitly prohibit anything about order and doesn't talk about "natural" versus "unnatural." That's because if you can do something, it's natural. (If you can't do it, it may be unnatural or it may just be hard.)

18 posted on 05/08/2002 5:02:47 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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but the standard 2nd Law isn't about order.

You got it. It is about heat flow.

19 posted on 05/08/2002 6:52:05 PM PDT by AndrewC
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It doesn't explicitly prohibit anything about order and doesn't talk about "natural" versus "unnatural."

Actually, an excellent point, I should have used "spontaneous"(whatever that means).

20 posted on 05/08/2002 6:55:33 PM PDT by AndrewC
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