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Beware the hate-mongers behind Ten Commandments movement (GAG)
The Tennessean ^ | May 5, 2002 | JAMES H. WILLIAMS

Posted on 05/05/2002 8:20:03 AM PDT by sarcasm

Edited on 05/07/2004 9:20:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: jlogajan
However, since I am a real atheist...

Now you're the only atheist with the "true" message? You have a direct hotline to the god of atheism?

This is the same complaint you make against the Christians in your ignorance and ineptitude. You are blinded by a singular fixation on Judaic fetishism.

If I am not a "real" atheist (synonymous with "true believer") am I now a heretic or excommunicated from your sectarian and dogmatic Church of Anti-Christian Atheists?

Do you now consider me to be a "sinner" against your particular faith of atheism?

81 posted on 05/05/2002 10:00:16 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: stands2reason
Does that mean you're an orthodox atheist?

Trying to be funny, ehy? :-)

And must you bash other's belief systems to be one?

I certainly don't say anything worse about other religions than what they say about atheism. Most of them condemn me to eternal hell fires. I on the other hand, have no real ill will for people who believe in silly myths, and I hope they go on to nice eternal rewards if they're beliefs are true.

So no, I come in far more kindly than most religionists come in toward me. And that's the truth.

82 posted on 05/05/2002 10:00:23 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: shaggy eel
How about the rest of the religions I've selected?

How about 'em?

83 posted on 05/05/2002 10:01:36 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
8 Scientologists

Come on, made up by a science fiction writer.

,,, they're making a guest appearance this evening in the interests of diversity and inclusion.

84 posted on 05/05/2002 10:02:14 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You are blinded by a singular fixation on Judaic fetishism.

Cool, that sounds like you are actually saying something.

85 posted on 05/05/2002 10:04:49 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
However, since I am a real atheist and not merely pretending to be one, I can point to ALL religions and point out their silly bits.

How about the rest of the religions I've selected?

How about 'em?

I can point to ALL religions

Take your time, I'm in another time zone and I won't be back for another sixteen hours. I trust God will keep you safe until then!

86 posted on 05/05/2002 10:07:37 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: jlogajan
So no, I come in far more kindly than most religionists come in toward me. And that's the truth.

So help you GOD? :)

87 posted on 05/05/2002 10:10:21 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: stands2reason
However, since I am a real atheist...

Does that mean you're an orthodox atheist?

This is what I would like to know. Am I an heretical atheist in danger of excommunication?

88 posted on 05/05/2002 10:12:57 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: shaggy eel
I can point to ALL religions

Ah, you took that as a boast of omniscience! You would have merely need ask me to list every religion that ever existed or ever will exist if you thought that's what I meant.

The context was the accusation that I was a Jew hater. As an atheist, it is not merely in opposition to Judaism, but to ANY deitistic religion.

Now I suppose your point is that since I am but a limited human I can't possibly know of every religion and whether it is true or flawed and therefore I should, by logical necessity, be an agnostic.

Well, I guess I'll say that one can reject the notion of there being a Santa Claus, or any other variant, of supernatural gift giver who flys about on Christmas eve delivering toys to the kiddies -- without worrying that one is compelled by logical necessity to take an agnostic position on same.

I don't waste my limited resources trying to prove negatives. I assume the non-existence of things until they are demonstrated sufficiently to my liking to actually exist. Okay?

89 posted on 05/05/2002 10:21:00 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
Cool, that sounds like you are actually saying something.

That is because I am... read Nietzche instead of wallowing in your illiteracy.

90 posted on 05/05/2002 10:27:19 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: sarcasm
I was raised in a Babtist church, literally lived there, as every time the church doors were open, I was there. While I am still a Christian, I have long since moved away from attending church. I find something lacking in organized religion, though I may be wrong.

It is my belief that the 10 commandments were handed down by God. Even though society's standards and the rule of the land might change over the centuries, God's law remains the same.

I have a hard time accepting that it is just as bad to think bad thoughts as it is to act on them, but I guess I'll answer to that when I get there. In my view, when a person enters a store with signs posted everywhere that shoplifters will be prosecuted, it is perfectly natural for the mind to play at thwarting the law without acting on such thoughts.

The Old Testament is extremely harsh and unforgiving, and so I make allowances that just maybe they couldn't foresee the thoughts and desires that we of today's world would face. I continue to believe that strength lies in the ability to avoid the many temptations we are faced with, even if our minds played out a different scene.

And as for today's morality as it applies to God's law, God's law doesn't change to suit the varying standards of various societies.

91 posted on 05/05/2002 10:30:47 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
He still wouldn't answer my question. Doesn't he realise how intolerant, closeminded and bigoted he looks? I mean, he's been told by two non-Christians that he goes overboard, but is that enough? He seems totally obsessed with Christianity. Sad, isn't it?
92 posted on 05/05/2002 10:37:29 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason
why are you one, too?

I'm not. :-)

93 posted on 05/05/2002 10:46:12 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
read Nietzche

Name dropper. :-)

94 posted on 05/05/2002 10:47:33 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: stands2reason
he's been told by two non-Christians that he goes overboard

Actually, one guy who claims (doubtful, by the way) to be an atheist, says that all people who are opposed to government publication of the 10 Commandments are really motivated by their hatred of the Jews. He got a bit upset when I pointed out that that was pure BS. And he's been sort of ranting on about that ever since.

95 posted on 05/05/2002 10:50:34 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Millburn Drysdale
So, do you think your lack of physical attractiveness drove you to your summa cum laude/six-figure income/sense of humour?

They are similarly shallow substitutes for real love. And no reason to feel any more secure with a woman who would choose you for these achievements (as opposed to looks).

96 posted on 05/05/2002 10:56:13 PM PDT by avenir
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To: Hacksaw
I think jlogagan is gay. He seems to have a weird obsession with these types of threads and whining about how Christians are not what he wants them to be or what he thinks they should be. It is a trademark of liberal groups (homosexual groups) that instead of going their seperate ways they seek to take over the institutions of those who do not share the same views as they do.
97 posted on 05/05/2002 11:02:22 PM PDT by Dat
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To: avenir
So, do you think your lack of physical attractiveness drove you to your summa cum laude/six-figure income/sense of humour?

I never did figure out what he was getting at in any event. Where'd that whole digression come from????

98 posted on 05/05/2002 11:11:56 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: sarcasm
Even more alarming is the Web site of the Society for the Practical Establishment and Perpetuation of the Ten Commandments (www.tencommandments.org)

I went there and this site is even wierder than the author of this article made it out to be. Here is a representative sample of what you will find there:

To uphold and defend the constitution and its Bill of Rights is to defend principles that are the governing principles of the kingdom of Satan.

These guys make Fred Phelps look like Mister Rogers.

Does anybody know anything about the organization that runs this website? Part of me suspects it's a big hoax to make Christians look stupid.

99 posted on 05/05/2002 11:48:30 PM PDT by murdoog
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To: stands2reason
He still wouldn't answer my question. Doesn't he realise how intolerant, closeminded and bigoted he looks?

He actually looks pretty stupid.

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I mean, he's been told by two non-Christians that he goes overboard, but is that enough? He seems totally obsessed with Christianity.

He has a singular fixation for Judaic fetishism.

Someone who can only articulate that their atheism is an opposition to Christians is doing atheism and deism no favors.

This is what I see as a part of the Religious Left. Along with the eco-fascist, neo-pagan, anti-technology, socialist/Marxist left-wing nuts, a lot of atheists are really a bunch of dogmatic religionists. An orthodox atheist as you say.

This paradox is no better represented by a juxtaposition of two social issues - - abortion and capital punishment.

Some would support the summary execution of a truly innocent unborn child while being opposed to the trial and execution of a justified enemy to civilized society, in the name of human rights.

My description...

Capital punishment = post-natal abortion (with a trial).

Abortion = pre-natal summary execution (without a trial).

100 posted on 05/06/2002 4:57:02 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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