Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

U.S. to Renounce Its Role in Pact for World Tribunal
The New York Times ^ | 05/05/2002 | NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 05/04/2002 5:56:01 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, May 4 — The Bush administration has decided to renounce formally any involvement in a treaty setting up an international criminal court and is expected to declare that the signing of the document by the Clinton administration is no longer valid, government officials said today.

The "unsigning" of the treaty, which is expected to be announced on Monday, will be a decisive rejection by the Bush White House of the concept of a permanent tribunal designed to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity and other war crimes.

The administration has long argued that the court has the potential to create havoc for the United States, exposing American soldiers and officials overseas to capricious and mischievous prosecutions.

"We think it was a mistake to have signed it," an administration official said. "We have said we will not submit it to the Senate for ratification." The renunciation, officials said, also means the United States will not recognize the court's jurisdiction and will not submit to any of its orders.

In addition, other officials said, the United States will simultaneously assert that it will not be bound by the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a 1969 pact that outlines the obligations of nations to obey other international treaties.

Article 18 of the Vienna Convention requires signatory nations like the United States to refrain from taking steps to undermine treaties they sign, even if they do not ratify them. As with the treaty for the International Criminal Court, the United States signed but did not ratify the Vienna agreement.

A government official said the administration planned to make its decision known on Monday in a speech by Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman in Washington and in a briefing for foreign journalists by Pierre-Richard Prosper, the State Department's ambassador for war crimes issues. Representatives of human rights groups also said they expected the decision, which was first reported by Reuters news service on Friday, to be announced then.

The pointed repudiation of the International Criminal Court, while not unexpected, is certain to add to the friction between the United States and much of the world, notably Europe, where policy makers have grumbled ever more loudly about the Bush administration's inclination to steer away from multinational obligations.

Despite the strong stance by the United States, the International Criminal Court will begin operations next year in The Hague. More than the required number of 60 nations had signed the treaty as of last month, and the court's jurisdiction will cover crimes committed after July 1 of this year.

It will become the first new international judicial body since the International Court of Justice, or World Court, was created in 1945 to adjudicate disputes between states. Until now, individuals were tried in ad hoc or specially created tribunals for war crimes like those now in operation for offenses committed in Rwanda and the countries that formerly made up Yugoslavia, both modeled on the Nuremberg trials of Nazi officials following World War II.

Harold Hongju Koh, a Yale law professor and a former assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, said the retraction of the signature on the treaty would be a profound error.

"The result is that the administration is losing a major opportunity to shape the court so it could be useful to the United States," Mr. Koh said. "Now that the court exists, it's important to deal with it. If the administration leaves it unmanaged, it may create difficulties for us and nations like Israel."

He described the opportunity as similar to the United States Supreme Court's 1803 decision in Marbury v. Madison that courts could subject the other branches of government to its jurisdiction, decisively defining its role in the new nation.

"This is an international Marbury versus Madison moment," he said.

John R. Bolton, the under secretary of state for arms control, who has been a leading voice in opposing American participation in the International Criminal Court, wrote extensively about the subject before he took office, calling it "a product of fuzzy-minded romanticism" and "not just naïve, but dangerous."

Mr. Bolton, in an article in The National Interest in 1999, argued that the court would force the United States to forfeit some of its sovereignty and unique concept of due process to a foreign and possibly unrestrained prosecutor. He said that it was not just American soldiers who would be in the most jeopardy, but "the president, the cabinet officers who comprise the National Security Council, and other senior civilian and military leaders responsible for our defense and foreign policy."

Palitha Kohona, the chief of the treaty section for the United Nations, said it was unheard of for a nation that signed a treaty to withdraw that signature. David J. Scheffer, who was ambassador at large for war crimes and who signed the treaty for the Clinton administration, said that withdrawing the signature exceeded even the actions of the Reagan administration, which in 1987 decided it would not seek ratification of an amendment to the Geneva Conventions that the Carter administration had signed. The action concerned a document known as Protocol 1, which would have extended protections to soldiers of insurgent movements.

"There has never been an attempt to literally remove the document," he said.

Mr. Scheffer said the Bush administration's actions would not only undermine international justice but also damage American interests.

"The perception will be that the United States walked away from international justice and forfeited its leadership role," he said. "It will be a dramatic moment in international legal history."

One official said the Bush White House was prepared to say last September that it would withdraw the signature on the treaty, but the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that month delayed an announcement. Officials were not only occupied with the sudden fight against terrorism but also thought that renouncing the treaty would appear unseemly, the official said.

Most democratic nations and all European Union countries have ratified the treaty — except Greece, which is in the process of doing so — along with Canada, New Zealand and a number of African, Eastern European and Central Asian countries. Israel has signed it but not ratified. Egypt, Iran and Syria have signed. India, Pakistan and China have neither signed nor ratified. Russia has signed but not ratified.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: unlist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-89 next last
To: sawdring
Most democratic nations and all European Union countries have ratified the treaty — except Greece, which is in the process of doing so — along with Canada, New Zealand and a number of African, Eastern European and Central Asian countries. Israel has signed it but not ratified. Egypt, Iran and Syria have signed. India, Pakistan and China have neither signed nor ratified. Russia has signed but not ratified.

What do you think?

21 posted on 05/04/2002 7:25:16 PM PDT by Askel5
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: AmriGandu
"The result is that the administration is losing a major opportunity to shape the court so it could be useful to the United States," Mr. Koh said. "Now that the court exists, it's important to deal with it. If the administration leaves it unmanaged, it may create difficulties for us and nations like Israel."

This is the same drivel they spewed when the US refused to join the League of Nations. They were wrong then and they are still wrong now.

22 posted on 05/04/2002 7:25:26 PM PDT by jimkress
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Askel5
Good for you, Dubya! That's one in a row!
23 posted on 05/04/2002 9:19:05 PM PDT by edger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
Just like everyone says, not a dimes worth of difference between Clinton and Bush. /sarcasm
24 posted on 05/04/2002 10:02:51 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
With the smartest advisors since the twelve died some two thousand years ago, this "most brilliant of presidents" took over fifteen months to figure this one out. I'd contratulate him if it weren't for the fact that other nation states signed on since Clinton did, and we didn't show any leadership. Now the ICC is a reality, and there's a strong likelihood it didn't have to be. Yeah, thanks for nothing Chicken George.
25 posted on 05/04/2002 10:54:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne
Ya know, you may as well cut the crap and state right up front that nothing this man will do will be enough. Do you really think anyone believes your "indignation"? At least the liberals are out front in their gut level hatred they don't attempt to wrap themselves in the flag to justify it. At least show the same integrity.
26 posted on 05/04/2002 10:59:41 PM PDT by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever
Oh, well I guess my opinion isn't as sacred as yours. Just when did you Bushbots determine that my first ammendment rights were revoked? Great way to defend the man, I must say.
27 posted on 05/04/2002 11:07:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
BUMP
28 posted on 05/04/2002 11:13:01 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
Thank God! I was beginning to think he wasn't going to do it! TYL!
29 posted on 05/04/2002 11:17:15 PM PDT by brat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
"The result is that the administration is losing a major opportunity to shape the court so it could be useful to the United States," ...................yeah, right! With the Arabs voting as a block on virtually everything, our influence would be ZERO!
30 posted on 05/04/2002 11:19:57 PM PDT by brat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne
Doughty, get a clue ! The Europeans don't give a royal damn what WE do. They would have signed on to this anyway.

It didn't take President Bush 15 months to decide to withdraw from this, it was in the works ( per above article ) many, many, MANY months ago. A little invasion and a few thosand MURDERED citizens , sort of got in the way of the announcement.

Trashing President Bush over the time frame, of this, is utterly pathetic. You better grow up, stop complaining about him doing the RIGHT thing, and come to your senses. What has happened to the old Doughtyone ? You used to be so somewhat intelligent.

31 posted on 05/04/2002 11:22:11 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne
Oh, well I guess my opinion isn't as sacred as yours. Just when did you Bushbots determine that my first ammendment rights were revoked? Great way to defend the man, I must say.

Hmm, where did I say you were not "allowed" to speak? My how "victim" minded you are.

32 posted on 05/04/2002 11:22:20 PM PDT by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne
Stop calling those who say anything , even remotley nice about the president, a Bushbot. It's getting stale, Doughty, and in this case, much like a kindergartener calling someone who got the correct answer ( when he didn't ) a " poopyhead ". You're being childish.
33 posted on 05/04/2002 11:25:05 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
Finally some good news from the NY Times.

Maybe next week (wishfull thinking) we give a swift kick to the UN ?

That Bolton guy ? I guess at least HE respects US Sovereignty, Aye?

34 posted on 05/04/2002 11:31:26 PM PDT by JFoxbear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever
DoughtyOne felt that his keen analysis of George W. Bush's betrayal of our military was worth a thread almost a year ago. You remember ... when all the keyboard heros on FR were apoplectic because of Bush's "appeasement" of the ChiCom's during the detention of our "Spy Plane" crew. He was full of sheet then, he's full of sheet now.
35 posted on 05/04/2002 11:35:25 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Goldi-Lox
Does your view on good lawyers mean that most of our gun control laws are null and void? GCA of '68, null and void?
36 posted on 05/04/2002 11:36:08 PM PDT by JFoxbear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: ArneFufkin
His "indignation" about Bush and this issue is not the fact that it took "15 months to do it" it is that he did it. That puts him completely off balance. So like any good contrairian he makes lemonade out of lemons and balances himself with "yeah but it took too long and now its too late". That is the very essence of "conspiracy theory" theory. No matter what, the "facts" are fluid and easily applied to both sides of the "conspiracy" in question and still have a conspiracy.
37 posted on 05/04/2002 11:44:34 PM PDT by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
The renunciation, officials said, also means the United States will not recognize the court's jurisdiction and will not submit to any of its orders.

YIPPIE!!! This is great news! Of all the dangerous, despicable, overweaning ideas to come out of the Euro-bureaucracy, this has got to be the worst, and it makes my day to hear that not only has Bush had the estones to give it a definite NO, but that we won't have to hear its (de)merits debated on C-Span, cause (sorry Euro-weenies) IT AIN'T EVEN GOING TO THE SENATE FLOOR!!!

(btw, try saying 'euro-bureaucracy' ten times, real fast...)

38 posted on 05/04/2002 11:47:11 PM PDT by pariah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever
Tex, you and I could bitch about Bush's REAL missed opportunities and administrative defecits all night long. Legitimately. But ... that convo would be based in truth. These folks don't care about truth.
39 posted on 05/04/2002 11:48:47 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: ArneFufkin
DoughtyOne felt that his keen analysis of George W. Bush's betrayal of our military was worth a thread almost a year ago. You remember ... when all the keyboard heros on FR were apoplectic because of Bush's "appeasement" of the ChiCom's during the detention of our "Spy Plane" crew. He was full of sheet then, he's full of sheet now.

Yeah I remember I also remember that many of those "commandos" were griping that the pilot of the plane did not do his "duty" and crash the plane with all on board. That is when I realized that there is a significant contingent of bar room Green Berets on the forum.

40 posted on 05/04/2002 11:53:54 PM PDT by Texasforever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-89 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson