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Fishermen lose out; federal judge orders Klamath River water to farmers
Associated Press / SFGate

Posted on 05/03/2002 4:23:57 PM PDT by RCW2001

Edited on 04/04/2004 3:52:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A federal judge on Friday rejected an effort by commercial anglers, tribes and environmental groups seeking to force the government to release more water to the Klamath River instead of diverting it to farms.

Commercial fishermen sued the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation and the National Marine Fisheries Service last month, arguing that water being stored for farmers should be released to help young salmon migrate to the ocean.


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To: jackbill
Let me understand this. We should be concerned about fish who may become extinct? But the farmers should be able to make a living to keep their homes for their families? Peta get a life.
41 posted on 05/03/2002 7:48:35 PM PDT by Mfkmmof4
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To: Mfkmmof4
Good
42 posted on 05/03/2002 8:22:26 PM PDT by GailA
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To: tubebender
News Flash-When stranded fish were examined, they'd been choked to death by lynx fur.HaHaHaHa.Ed Hubel.
43 posted on 05/03/2002 8:25:17 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: Grampa Dave
Would someone please slap me and wake me up.

GD; save the slap and relax. Well, don't relax but be aware that there's motion.
We've a petition to delist Coho and and another on the way for steelhead. The giants are awakening.
44 posted on 05/03/2002 8:37:40 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: countrydummy
Thx for the ping.
45 posted on 05/03/2002 9:06:33 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: Grampa Dave, Jeff Head; Carry_Okie, countrydummy
Farmers blamed for fish deaths in 'misleading' L.A. Times story

by John Diehm Siskiyou Daily News Staff Writer

HAPPY CAMP - Something is fishy about the "scientific study" concerning stranded baby salmon on the Klamath River, claims Independence Creek resident Connie Rasmussen.

On thursday (5-2-02), the L.A. Times published a story called "A race to save baby salmon in Klamath - biologists rescue hundreds of fish stranded by low water levels as river's flow is channeled to farm fields."

The lead paragraph of the article written by Times staff writer Deborah Schoch states," As more Klamath River water is diverted to farms upstream, water levels drop and California state biologists have begun rescuing baby salmon stranded in puddles along river banks."

Federal water officials today told the Siskiyou Daily News the irrigation project near Klamath Falls and Tulelake has not caused river levels to drop enough to kill salmon. "The diversions to farmers has nothing to do with what is happening downstream." said Bureau of Reclamation spokesman Jeff McCracken.

Rasmussen, who lives 14 miles downriver of Happy Camp at Independence Creek, said she had an encounter with the biologists who provided the information for what she calls a misleading L.A.Times story. She has grave doubts about their methods and conclusions.

Rasmussen said earlier in the week she noticed a group of people trespassing on her property, and making their way down to the Klamath River where there are some high water pools annually left by winter runoff from tributaries. She confronted the party and was told that they were biologists from the U.S. Forest Service and Yurok Tribe.

"They told me they were going to save some of the stranded fish in the pools," Rasmussen said. I thought that was all right because the fish were going to die anyway when the pools dry up or they get eaten by the birds."

Rasmussen said she watched what they did and saving the fish was not their priority. "They gave the fish an electric shock that killed many of them, counted the fish that floated to the top, and left."

When the article came out in the L.A. Times, Rasmussen said she knew it was not right. "They made an assumption that more water in the river would link these pools to the river. That is simply not what happens here. These pools are left every year by winter runoff and have nothing to do with the water level in the river. It's not a portion of the main river," she said, "it goes dry every spring. It dried up even earlier last year."

She said that the heavy rain this winter probably raised the level of the water enough for small fish to get to the site. "I've never seen fish in there before. It's a long way from the river."

Rasmussen said the Klamath River is running higher right now than it has for years and more water would not link these pools with the river. "The water is not low, it is high. I walk the river every day."

Dan Keppen, director of the Klamath Water Users Group, said the assumption of the biologists that diversion of irrigation water is the cause of the stranded fish along the river is simply not accurate. Some fish are stranded each year as a natural part of the river. He also finds it strange that this report came out just a day before a judge was scheduled to make a decision on river flows.

There is a little more to this article, but the Siskiyou Daily News does not have this article posted on it's site yet. So this ol' forester had to type the darn thing in by hand. I felt that you folks deserved to hear "the rest of the story".

46 posted on 05/03/2002 9:36:02 PM PDT by forester
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To: hubel458; tubebender; RCW2001; sasquatch; AuntB
News Flash-When stranded fish were examined, they'd been choked to death by lynx fur.HaHaHaHa.Ed Hubel.

As documented in my previous post, Ed's news flash is corrected: Standed fish examined by same dishonest biologists as those who studied the Lynx.

47 posted on 05/03/2002 9:41:13 PM PDT by forester
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To: tubebender
To back up what you posted about the Trinity River, here is the report for Fish First. This is the Trinity Report that any fly fisher with a computer and half a brain goes to before making a trip to fly fish in Kali.

Trinity River will be blown out in the flyfishing only section, dam to Old Lewiston Bridge, from 30 April to 28 May due to the recent court decision to return Trinity flows to more "natural" flows for this time of year.

There is nothing normal about these flows. This is one of those sections where the fish are protected and like to just take their time to eat bugs, grow and slowly go downstream. They will be ripped downstream for 4 weeks.

Wonder if some of these ripped out fish due to high/fast and cold water are what the liars who represent the enviralist are talking about. More than likely any young stranded fish down stream is stranded due to high water and the fish using too much energy to keep from drowning. Yes fish will drown if they become too weak.

Of course know the lynx hair planters, they probably froze fish from last years run and took the frozen body's out and threw them in the river.

48 posted on 05/03/2002 10:53:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: forester
Mike, thanks for the real story on the baby salmon.

I made a reply that earlier on this thread, that this B$tch lawyer was lying as her group does all of the time.

It is time to start using the Rico laws on these lying envirals, their lawyers and those who plant dead fish and lynx hairs. Drag them into court under the Rico Laws. Take the law license away from this lying B$tch lawyer and fine these phoney fishermen that other fishermen detest! (Rant off now)

49 posted on 05/03/2002 11:03:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie
I agree Dave. I was also thinking that this is a golden opportunity to protest federal & state biologists that are using their position to advance their socialistic goals. It seams to me that the biologists who lied about the stranded fish are no different then the biologists who lied about the Lynx study, or the biologists who delayed the water drop to the firefighters. CO is right, it is too much power for these people to handle. Scientific studies should be performed by independent third parties and subjected to peer review.
50 posted on 05/03/2002 11:15:34 PM PDT by forester
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To: forester
Actually the stranded fish that were choking on lynx fur were clubbed and killed with baseball bats by the Oregon Fish Game Toadies last fall. Then, they were frozed to be used as unscientific evidence by the latest enviral liars/lawyers. The enviralists drove them down in a freezer truck and threw the frozen carci on the water. Then called up the LA Slimes and said that there were dead fish on the water due to low water. Of course the high water was flowing so fast, they couldn't get any pictures.

There were so many Coho in the Oregon rivers last year, that Fish and Game toadies were wearing out 8 aluminum bats on each shift killing these precious salmonoids.

A fish and game toadie about used his bat on me when I released a hatchery hen Coho and didn't kill it. He knew that he would have to kill it and a couple of million of its sisters and bros up stream during the great salmon shortage of 2001! (Salmon shortage is calculated by counting planted lynx hair and feathers from spotted Owl nests gathered from WalmaRt stores. These dumb birds like to nest in the R part of the Walmart Signs. Then you multiply that by the number of short nose Sucker fish who didn't die today but that you are counting as dead. This equals the number of imaginary dead baby coho in the Klamath as per the great enviral science!)

Save the Salmon! Abort an Enviralist and a lawyer!

51 posted on 05/03/2002 11:16:49 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I heard this on FOXNEWS this afternoon and was not sure I could believe what I was hearing!

Meanwhile a Federal judge is ordering SonicBlue , the manufacter of ReplayTV 4000 video recorders , to:

A federal magistrate in Los Angeles has ordered SonicBlue to spy on thousands of digital video recorder users -- monitoring every show they record, every commercial they skip and every program they send electronically to a friend.

So there is not a lot of consistant opinion on things is there.

52 posted on 05/03/2002 11:26:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Maybe Sonic Blue recorders can be used to tally the dead baby Cohos in the Klamath due to the extra high water flushing them down stream.

I heard this about the Sonic Blue while driving. I just turned the radio off. My wife said first you stop listening to Rush and Sean, and now this. She is starting to bring her tapes back into my Bronco.

53 posted on 05/03/2002 11:31:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
ROFLMAO**!!
54 posted on 05/03/2002 11:37:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave-Does she have a copy of""I'd Rather Go Fishin" by Doc Scott and Michele.You would like that.Ed Hubel.
55 posted on 05/04/2002 7:25:07 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: RCW2001
Great news! Finally, the plight of a REAL endangered species, FAMILY FARMERS gets some attention!

Now, I vote we abolish the EPA.

56 posted on 05/04/2002 7:37:30 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: forester
Names? Photographs? Badge numbers? The Siskiyou press needs to educate property owners on how to get evidence out of these thugs and fast. Know a lawyer who would write the article?
57 posted on 05/04/2002 9:21:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Grampa Dave
Read the COMPLETE text of the AP article here.

(snip)

Dan Keppen, executive director of the Klamath Water Users Asssociation that represented farmers at the Oakland hearing, released a statement saying, "We are pleased that rushed and rash behavior has not been rewarded by Judge Armstrong."

More omissions at link.
58 posted on 05/04/2002 10:15:26 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
Thanks for the link.

I believe that Judge Armstrong has made a couple of decisions in the last year plus that has really rankled the lefty/lying lawyers on the far side. They were not about enviralism, they were on other issues. I was pleased, but I can't remember what they were.

59 posted on 05/04/2002 10:27:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
Go to this Yahoo search link on Judge Armstrong. She is a breath of fresh air: (link to Yahoo/Judge Armstrong)
60 posted on 05/04/2002 10:30:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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