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1 posted on 05/03/2002 10:12:00 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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2 posted on 05/03/2002 10:16:25 AM PDT by tracer
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In fact, the Newberry Library of Chicago has granted Bellesiles $30,000 to write a new book on guns – a 400-year study of firearms regulation in America.

$30,000 to make up 400 pages of lies? Nice work if you can get it!

3 posted on 05/03/2002 10:18:58 AM PDT by steve-b
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bang!
4 posted on 05/03/2002 10:20:37 AM PDT by Frohickey
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Gun-banners violate Americans’ constitutional liberties, imperil their lives and justify their actions with bogus statistics, junk science and outright lies.

However, most lies are constitutionally protected speech, and the way to defeat them is to refute them, not litigate them.

5 posted on 05/03/2002 10:20:41 AM PDT by dirtboy
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I have to agree with the idea that a good offense is the best defense. Rather than attempting a holding action, a full scale offensive needs to be opened. Instead of a tax on ammo, pass laws to make it tax deductible. Also, firearm training and firearm purchases should be tax deductible. That would be a true recognition of a benefit to society through private ownership of firearms.
6 posted on 05/03/2002 10:21:59 AM PDT by TheDon
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Not too bad, Rich. Also, another positive offensive action is to recruit women as Second Amendment Rights supporters. There are MANY out there willing to be recruited. There is a unique and curious power exhibited by a woman -- as opposed to a man -- forcefully demanding her right to keep and bear.

SECOND AMENDMENT SISTERS

Also, I don't know where you live, but if you live in a state w/o a Conceal Carry, contact me and I will put you in touch with people who are looking to get CCW in whichever state you are in. I am working Illinois very diligently, having come from a state with (theoretically) worse gun control laws -- New York -- that let me have my CCW.

7 posted on 05/03/2002 10:23:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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In fact, the Newberry Library of Chicago has granted Bellesiles $30,000 to write a new book on guns – a 400-year study of firearms regulation in America.

Hang on a tick: Isn't this the a-hole who is being roundly censured by his peers as an academic fraud and outright liar???

And they are giving him MORE money???

WTF!!!

8 posted on 05/03/2002 10:24:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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I wish they would start such a law suit- then the statistic about how many lives are SAVED by guns each year could be brought out.
9 posted on 05/03/2002 10:27:59 AM PDT by Mr. K
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I am reminded of something my former boss David Horowitz wrote.

What is this "former boss" business? What happened between you and David?

10 posted on 05/03/2002 10:30:18 AM PDT by ned
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"Our Review Committee… felt comfortable with the quality of his existing work," explained Jim Grossman, the library’s Vice President for Research and Education.

How could a person, with enough brain power to keep their heart beating, possibly feel "comfortable with the quality" of Bellesiles's previous work?  The man's a proven Agenda Liar.  There's no two ways about it. 

OH!  It's because Grossman is in on the Anti-Gun Agenda.....how stupid of me not to realize that.

This situation is exactly the same as saying "We know Bellesiles raped and murdered a child but, we are comfortable with him being our babysitter."

14 posted on 05/03/2002 10:35:56 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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Litigation is a tool, just like a gun. In the right hands, a well-targeted lawsuit can do a great deal of good.

Who would sue whom? And under what theory?

15 posted on 05/03/2002 10:36:51 AM PDT by ned
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I have said many times that we should use the leftists' own tools against them. The way I put it: "Make them worship at the altar of Our Lady of Perpetual Litigation."

They understood that one can destroy individuals and orginizations by bankrupting them via legal means--whether or not you prevail in court.

I have also said I'd join a class-action lawsuit against the usual suspects in a heartbeat.

Are there no pro-Second-Amendment lawyers who will take the case pro bono?

--Boris

17 posted on 05/03/2002 10:41:31 AM PDT by boris
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i always thought someone could sue movie companies who create films which lead to copycat crimes, or music, but it would be difficult to prove. unfortunately, this does not apply to guns.
18 posted on 05/03/2002 10:42:28 AM PDT by galt-jw
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I had read your fascinating book, "The Seven Myths of Gun Control," a few months ago, and am happy for the opportunity to tell you how much I enjoyed it. Put simply, it is one of the best books I have ever read. Depressing and horrifying at the same time -- and a bang of an impact it made on the reader. It's truly terrifying that the lamestream media has such a pull on the ignorant masses that the public swallows their b.s. hook, line and sinker, and is willing to surrender their precious rights so easily. I wish your book was required reading in every law-abiding household.

Surprisingly, I found your book at the 86th St. Barnes and Hovel on the Upper East Side. I was shocked they even stocked it since it wasn't the standard liberal schlock. (Even though they had just one copy and I got it.) The true story about the massacre of the naked kids in the snow (Chicago area, I think) gave me nightmares, as well as the one about the kids in California who couldn't protect themselves against their psycho neighbor because of inane and meddling storage laws. I applied for a gun permit in December (I live in anti-gun NJ) and will feel better once I finally get it and have it readily accessible. Thanks so much for your incredible work on this book, and your continued efforts.

21 posted on 05/03/2002 10:44:24 AM PDT by hot august night
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"It can scare police into cutting back on handgun permits, for fear of issuing a permit to the wrong person."

What about "no-questions-asked" so-called "gun buybacks"? I understand no paperwork is prepared and yet a handgun or rifle is transferred from one owner to another. Does it matter that the transfer is to a city or police dept.? Do police depts have to complete paperwork on weapons purchased through distributors?

I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that anyone and everyone involved in no-questions-asked "gun buybacks" is committing a federal crime (a felony?). What would it take to "scare" police into thinking twice about this practice?

--Boris

23 posted on 05/03/2002 10:46:15 AM PDT by boris
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The trial lawyers are the enforcement arm of the liberal agenda and make billions in the process, kicking back a small portion to their liberal political friends. We have lost many freedoms from fear of lawsuits. Many things we used to do are not even available anymore. The zero tolerance policy in schools is part of that. Fear begets idiocy.

I like the idea of taking the offensive with counter-suits and agressive reaction suits. In the past we have assumed that common sense would prevail only to learn that the liberal media had contaminated the jury pool, liberal judges had permiated the judiciary, and welfare-accustomed jurors willing gave away billions of dollars to underserving claimants, with a large portion of it going to the lawyers and then the politicians. Common sense is a rarity, making an agressive counter offensive a desirable move.

As far as Bellesiles is concerned, common sense would again disprove his premise on its face. When you consider that this country before the Civil War, and even after it, was basically frontier peopled by pioneers who fed themselves from the bounty of wildlife as well as the crops they grew, who faced hostile Indians unfriendly to the encrouchment into their world, where the population was widespread and lawmen were few, it is rediculous to propose that few of them had guns. Does he think they outran the deer, wrestled the bears, choked the buffalo, threw sticks at the wolves, or any other outrageous-to-assume methods? Is he not aware that a lively trade of selling guns to the Indians existed? In the Civil War does he think all firearms were government issued? It was not necessary, especially in the South, because almost everyone had their own firearms.

His argument is bogus but no more so than the reasons for banning asbestos, smoking, DDT, CFCs, the internal combustion engine, etc. All are part of a plan to destroy America and all demcoracies (I know, we aren't), with America and Israel in the crosshairs at the moment. Fight them hard and get in their faces. They are liars! Sue their asses off.

25 posted on 05/03/2002 10:49:01 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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It is an established fact that the best defense is a good offense. We need to hand these lying Socialist's their lunch and hurt em where it counts..........their back account.......which BTW seems to be subsidized by my tax dollars more and more sadly.......

Stay Safe !

27 posted on 05/03/2002 10:51:44 AM PDT by Squantos
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In fact, the Newberry Library of Chicago has granted Bellesiles $30,000 to write a new book on guns – a 400-year study of firearms regulation in America.

Really? I wonder what kinds of gun regulations there were in 1602 in "America"?

Maybe I read this wrong. I bet they are paying him $30,000 to study gun regulations for the next 400 years.

33 posted on 05/03/2002 11:31:53 AM PDT by FreeTally
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Richard,

The ACLU has already provided us with the model for a lawsuit. There was a civil lawsuit against the KKK members who had created an 'atmosphere resulting' in the deaths of individuals by racists.

The murderers were not even members of the KKK if memory serves, but were familiar with their racist literature.

Clearly a civl liability case could be made against those promoting gun control in a given state by those who have sufferred from a robbery, rape, or the murder of a loved one. After all there is clear statistical evidence that a given number of robberies, rape, or murders would not occur if gun control were not existent in those states.

A class action civil lawsuit for all those who had been robbed, raped, or had a loved one murdered should be made. Those who work to keep the populace unarmed should bear direct responsibility for their disgusting actions that impact the well being of their fellow citizens in such a negative manner.

Sue them. Sue them into bankruptcy. No organization should be able to effectively promote crimes of aggression against the citizenry of this country and get away scott free.

RileyD, nwJ

39 posted on 05/03/2002 12:15:19 PM PDT by RileyD, nwJ
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What a co-incidence, you have the same name as the author!

Some of us suggested lawsuits against HCI, and various municipalities, etc a couple years ago. I'm for it. Make those a-holes pay costs and think twice about using the courts in that manner.

41 posted on 05/03/2002 12:26:17 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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