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Lincoln s Spectacular Lie
LewRockwell.com ^ | 4/29/02 | Karen De Coster

Posted on 05/01/2002 4:39:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur

The notion that Lincoln’s Union preceded the states is a tall tale. Author Tom DiLorenzo, in his celebrated new book, The Real Lincoln, calls it Lincoln’s spectacular lie, as so named by Emory University philosopher, Donald Livingston.

The War Between the States was fought, in Lincoln’s mind, to preserve the sanctity of centralization powered by a strong and unchecked federal government. Only through such an established order could Lincoln do his Whig friends the honor of advancing The American System, a mercantilist arrangement that spawned corporate welfare, a monetary monopoly for the Feds, and a protectionist tariff approach that stymied free traders everywhere.

This power role for the Feds, as envisioned by Lincoln, had no room for the philosophy of the earlier Jeffersonians, who in 1798, were declaring that states’ rights were supreme. Both Madison and Jefferson, in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, legitimized the concept of state sovereignty via the policy of nullification, an inherent right for states to declare federal acts invalid if unconstitutional. And before that, let it be duly noted that the right to secede is, as DiLorenzo says, “not expressly prohibited by the Constitution.”

Lincoln, however, believed that secession was basically an act of treason. To him, the glory of the Union was based upon a holier-than-thou view of the core elites who would run the Washington Machine, doling out the federal largesse to its friends and political supporters, those mostly being Northern manufacturers and merchants. Therefore, the Southern secessionist movement and its claim of self-rule violated the Lincolnian principle of nationalization and coercive law in his move toward complete centralization. So what was Lincoln to do?

Lincoln had to stamp out Southern Independence, and would start with a demonization of secession as “an ingenious sophism.” DiLorenzo focuses on the two political arguments Lincoln used against secession, one being that secession inevitably meant anarchy, which therefore violated the principle of majority rule. As DiLorenzo points out, the founders of our system of government “clearly understood that political decisions under majority rule are always more to the liking of the voters in a smaller political unit.” The other Lincoln argument against peaceful secession is that allowing the Southern states to secede would lead to more secession, which in turn leads to anarchy. Clearly, that is a crass argument that would not stand the test of time.

“The advocates of secession”, says DiLorenzo, “always understood that it stood as a powerful check on the expansive proclivities of government and that even the threat of secession or nullification could modify the federal government’s inclination to overstep its constitutional bounds.”

DiLorenzo takes the reader on a summarized journey of secessionist history, from the earliest parting by colonialists from the wrath of King George, to the New England secessionists, who pre-dated the Southern movement by over a half-century. Oddly enough, it was the New England Federalists that had first threatened to dissolve the Union because of an intense hatred of Southern aristocracy. Beginning with the election of Jefferson to the Presidency, an intense battle over individual morality, immigration, trade restrictions, and regional principles sparked a division between the Puritan Northeast and a more freewheeling and influential South. In order to eliminate all political ties, the Northeasterners tried in vain to break the bonds of Union, and the movement lasted until the failed Secessionist Convention in 1814, as the War of 1812 came to a close.

As the author points out, during the entire New England ordeal, there is virtually no literature to be found that supports the view that the inherent right to secession was non-existent. It was, in fact, really never questioned.

Eventually, Lincoln needed a trump card and turned to using the institution of slavery as the emotional taffy-pull to rouse the citizenry for a long and bloody war. Though, indeed, the earliest words of Lincoln defy this purpose as he consistently reveled in the triumph of the all-powerful centralized state that would one day achieve “national greatness.” Even DiLorenzo doesn’t attempt to define what this means, but only describes those words as having some sort of “alleged mystical value.” The Lincoln war machine was thus set in motion, with the ends of an Empire run by chosen elites justifying the means of tyranny.

The states, in a Lincolnian democracy, would be forever underneath the footprint of Union hegemony.


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To: JeffersonDavis
George Washington, James Madison, Chief Justice Jay, Chief Justice Marshall, Andrew Jackson, Sam Houston, and many others, even Chief Justice Taney! --all, all-- were for a perpetual Union.

Wanna try and prove that one Corky....LMAO

It's easy enough to prove.

George Washington:

"In all our deliberations on this subject we kept steadily in our view, that which appears to us the greatest interest of every true American, the consolidation of our Union, in which is involved our prosperity, felicity, safety, perhaps our national existance."

James Madison:

"It is high time that the claim to secede at will should be put down by the public opinion; and I shall be glad to see the task commenced by someone who understands the subject."

This is in a letter of 12/23/32, to Nicholas Trist, who was serving in Andrew Jackson's Cabinet.

John Jay:

Experience disappointed the expectations they had formed from it; and then the people, in their collective and national capacity, established the present Constitution. It is remarkable that in establishing it, the people exercised their own rights and their own proper sovereignty, and conscious of the plenitude of it, they declared with becoming dignity, "We the people of the United States," 'do ordain and establish this Constitution." Here we see the people acting as the sovereigns of the whole country.; and in the language of sovereignty, establishing a Constitution by which it was their will, that the state governments should be bound, and to which the State Constitutions should be made to conform. Every State Constitution is a compact made by and between the citizens of a state to govern themeselves in a certain manner; and the Constitution of the United States is liekwise a compact made by the people of the United States to govern themselves as to general objects, in a certain manner. By this great compact however, many prerogatives were transferred to the national Government, such as those of making war and peace, contracting alliances, coining money, etc."

Chief Justice Marshall:

"If any one proposition could command the universal assent of mankind, we might expect that it would be this -- that the government of the Union, though limited in its powers, is supreme within its sphere of action. This would seem to result, necessarily, from its nature. It is the government of all; its powers are delegated by all; it represents all; and acts for all. Though any one state may be willing to control its operations, no state is willing to allow others to control them. The nation, on those subjects on which it can act, must necessarily bind its component parts. But this question is not left to mere reason; the people have, in express terms, have decided it, by saying, "this constitution, and the laws made in pursuance thereof,: shall be the supreme law of the land," and by requiring that the members of the state legislatures, and the officers of the executive and judicial departments of the states, shall take an oath of fidelity to it. The government of the United States, then, though limited in its powers, is supreme; and its laws, when made in pursuance of the constitution, form the supreme law of the land, "anything in the constitution or laws of any state, to the contrary notwithstanding."

Andrew Jackson:

"If this doctrine had been established at an earlier day, the Union would have been dissolved in its infancy. The excise law in Pennsylvania, the embargo and non-intercourse law in the Eastern States, the carriage tax in Virginia, were all deemed unconstitutional, and were more unequal in their operation than any of the laws now complained of; but, fortunately, none of those states discovered that they had the right now claimed by South Carolina. The war into which we were forced, to support the dignity of the nation and the rights of our citizens, might have ended in defeat and disgrace, instead of victory and honor, if the states who supposed it a ruinous and unconstitutional measure had thought they possessed the right of nullifying the act by which it was declared, and denying supplies for its prosecution. Hardly and unequally as those measures bore upon several members of the Union, to the legislatures of none did this efficient and peaceable remedy, as it is called, suggest itself. The discovery of this important feature in our Constitution was reserved to the present day. To the statesmen of South Carolina belongs the invention, and upon the citizens of that state will unfortunately fall the evils of reducing it to practice."

Same Houston:

"I believe a large majority of our Southern people are opposed to secession, and if the secession leaders would permit our people to take ample time to consider secession and then hold fair elections the secession movement would be defeated by an overwhelming majority. But the secession leaders declare that secession has already been peaceably accomplished and the Confederate Government independence and sovereignty will soon he acknowledged by all foreign governments. They tell us that the Confederate Government will thus be permanently established without bloodshed. They might with equal truth declare that the fountains of the great deep blue seas can be broken up without disturbing their surface waters, as to tell us that the best Government that ever existed for men can be broken up without bloodshed."

As for Chief Justice Taney, he agreed with the UNANIMOUS decision of the Court in the Prize Cases that "war" and "blockade" were possible in a rebellion without making the U.S. efforts a de facto recognition of the Confederacy.Where Taney dissented, in the losing side of a 5-4 vote, was on *who* had the right to declare the blockade and start a war: consistent with ex parte Merryman, Taney argued that the war did not and could not begin until Congress assembled in July.

Not bad, hey Corky?

Walt

21 posted on 05/03/2002 6:46:41 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
You haven't even had to list the opinion of the next greatest revolutionary after Washington, Alexander Hamilton, who thought it madness when the whackjobs in New England were talking secession after Jefferson's lunatic policies bankrupted the fishing and shipping industries there. At least that set of whackjobs had a semi-reasonable excuse to consider the lunacy of secession unlike that of 1860.

Give'm Jefferson's statement at his inaugaration wrt allowing its advocates free speech on the issue.

It is amusing to see reference to the Va. and Ky. resolution as having any more authority than a letter to the editor somewhere. Neither resolution was ever passed by any legislature so they are really more accurately described as the "Irresolutions" than "Resolutions." But such are the poor materials of the case of the D.S.s.

22 posted on 05/03/2002 6:58:41 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Give'm Jefferson's statement at his inaugaration wrt allowing its advocates free speech on the issue.

You mean this:

"We are all Republicans--we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is free to combat it."

Thomas Jefferson March 4, 1801

Since most of the laeding statesmen of the early history of the country were for perpetual union, why is it that poor old Lincoln gets all the heat?

Walt

23 posted on 05/03/2002 7:14:25 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
1- That be the one.

2 - Because the D.S.s can't bear to face the fact that he kicked the Slaveocrats ass big time in spite of the best efforts of the overt traitors, the covert traitors (the DemocRATS), the weak sisters, the pacifists, the haters of blacks etc.

3 - They believe the ignorant and/or malevolent bilge published at Lew Rockhead.com.

24 posted on 05/03/2002 7:21:29 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: JeffersonDavis
Sorry Wlat, those say nothing of the "perpetual" union that you chose to say they all believed.

Well, of course you're wrong.

Chief Justice Jay said the powers to coin money, etc. were TRANSFERRED to the federal government.

If you can have a country without currecy, go for it.

Sam Houston said ours (it's still the same, you know) is the best government yet devised. Would he want to change it?

As usual, you spout a bunch of crap that only serves to bump the thread so more people have a chance to see how ridiculous all this love of the CSA is.

Walt

26 posted on 05/03/2002 7:47:32 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: JeffersonDavis
Ever wonder why, since you say these men believed in a "perpetual" union that existed before the states, they did not place the words "perpetual" union in the US Constitution?

That's not a big deal.

The Constitution and the laws made pursuant are the supreme law of the land; nothing in any state law can withstand that.

E Pluribus Unum was adopted in 1782.

Do you think people of that day didn't know what it meant?

You blame Lincoln because you hate what he accomplished -- an advance in human rights.

Why not slam dunk Thomas Jefferson, or Sam Houston? Oh, they were slave holders. So they are above reproach.

Walt

27 posted on 05/03/2002 7:51:32 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Non-Sequitur
You wouldn't I imagine

"We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.--Thomas Jefferson 1801

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness--Declaration of Independence

A Northern confederacy would unite congenial characters, and present a fairer prospect of public happiness; while the Southern States, having a similarity of habits, might be left "to manage their own affairs in their own way."If a separation were to take place, our mutual wants would render a friendly and commercial intercourse inevitable.--Timothy Pickering to George Cabot 1/29/1804

28 posted on 05/03/2002 7:54:35 AM PDT by billbears
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To: JeffersonDavis
The man who believed that blacks were inferior advancing human rights?

Show in Lincoln's words that he thought blacks inferior.

Walt

32 posted on 05/03/2002 8:25:39 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: JeffersonDavis
That's just for starters Wlat. You want more?

As I well knew, none of that speaks to blacks being inferior to whites, except socially.

Here's what you're NOT looking for:

"I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects---certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man."

"If A can prove, however conclusively, that he may, of right, enslave B. -- why not B. snatch the same argument, and prove equally, that he may enslave A.? --

You say A. is a white, and B. is black. It is --color--, then; the lighter, having the right to enslave the darker? Take care. By this rule, you are to be the slave to the first man you meet, with a fairer skin than your own.

You do not mean color exactly? -- You mean the whites are --intellectually-- the superiors of the blacks, and therefore, have the right to enslave them? Take care again. By this rule, you are to be slave to the first man you meet, with an intellect superior to your own.

But, say you, it is a question of --interest--; and, if you can make it your --interest--, you have the right to enslave another. Very well. And if he can make it his interest, he has the right to enslave you."

Lincoln never said more than that he didn't KNOW if blacks were inferior to whites.

And you'll not show anything else in the record.

Walt

34 posted on 05/03/2002 8:43:38 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: JeffersonDavis
Even Fredrick Douglas, a man who supposedly liked Lincoln, knew that Lincoln just used blacks, that he never cared for them or considered them his equal.

Alright, since you can't quote Lincoln, then quote DOuglass.

When did Douglass say Lincoln thought blacks inferior?

By all means keep bumping this thread.

Walt

36 posted on 05/03/2002 8:56:11 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: SkyPilot
Just consider the source. It's the Destroy America First Crowd. They seem to live in some dream world that if Slavery had not been abolished, their meager little lives would some how be better. Hitler used the same tactic at his little gatherings. Telling Germans that if only the Jews were not successful, they would be better off. Ofcourse, Jews, Blacks etc have nothing to do with these individuals personal failures. But....afterall.....it is easier to blame the other.
39 posted on 05/03/2002 9:08:44 AM PDT by marty60
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Papa, here you go again. Putting facts and ACUTAL quotes in front of the ant-Linconistas....How dare you!!!! Poor boys. What ever will they do when they run out of revisionist proganda that hasn't already been debunked?
40 posted on 05/03/2002 9:10:31 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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