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No Case Vs. Man Who Knew Hijackers (BULL! Case thrown out on outrageous technicality)
AP via Yahoo! ^ | Tue Apr 30,12:29 PM ET | LARRY NEUMEISTER

Posted on 04/30/2002 9:54:01 PM PDT by Spar

No Case Vs. Man Who Knew Hijackers

Tue Apr 30,12:29 PM ET

By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - A federal judge threw out a perjury indictment Tuesday against a Jordanian college student who knew two alleged Sept. 11 hijackers, citing errors made when investigators applied for an arrest warrant.

U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin dismissed the indictment after concluding that Osama Awadallah, 21, was unlawfully arrested after he was taken from his San Diego home several days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"Awadallah was effectively seized," she wrote.

Scheindlin said that federal statute does not authorize the detention of material witnesses for a grand jury investigation. It was not immediately clear what effect such a ruling could have on dozens of material witnesses held since the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites).

"We believe the court's opinions are wrong on the fact and the law and we are reviewing our appellate options," U.S. Attorney James B. Comey said in a statement.

A message left with a lawyer for Awadallah was not immediately returned.

The judge also threw out evidence seized after Awadallah, a student at Grossmont College in El Cajon, Calif., was taken into custody on Sept. 21. The evidence included videotapes and a picture of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

The judge cited several factors showing that Awadallah's consent to go with FBI (news - web sites) agents to their office and later submit to a lie detector test was the "product of duress or coercion."

She said the agents repeatedly made a show of force by telling him he could not drive his own car, frisking him, refusing to let him inside his apartment and ordering him to keep a door open as he urinated. Moreover, she said, one agent threatened to "tear up" the apartment if he did get a warrant.

Agents also failed to tell Awadallah he had a constitutional right to refuse any searches when they asked him to sign a form consenting to a search, the judge said.

Awadallah was charged with perjury for allegedly lying about his knowledge of one of the men blamed for the suicide attack on the Pentagon.

In grand jury appearances, Awadallah admitted meeting alleged hijacker Nawaf al-Hazmi 30 to 40 times but denied knowing associate Khalid al-Mihdhar. Confronted with an exam booklet in which he had written the name Khalid, he later admitted he knew both of them.

If convicted, Awadallah could have faced up to 10 years in prison.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 911; awadallah; balkans; bosnia; immigrantlist; terrorists; terrorwar
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To: AppyPappy
Tell it to the 3,000 victims of 9/11 who didn't get a "fair trial".

And you tell me who's more principled the United States or some terrorist thugs? When we compromise princple and freedom, the very same principles and freedom that the terrorists hate, when we start stooping to their level, that's "their" victory not ours. It's about princple. It's about rules set up to provide for the defense of the accused to prevent innocent people from going to jail. If that means 1000 terrorists go free, so that one not one single innocent man goes to jail, so be it! That's the way the Founding Fathers set up the system, not to be compromised by shorted sighted people such as yourself.

21 posted on 05/01/2002 4:57:19 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: Spar
Try to keep things in perspective:
A bunch of fanatics get passed our incredibly sloppy security, our arrogant intelligence agencies, and our generally ineffective nanny government. They get lucky when both towers collapse.

We should have at least learned that government failed to perform and granting the same government unlimited powers to throw people in jail won't protect us either.

22 posted on 05/01/2002 4:57:21 AM PDT by palmer
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To: Lancey Howard
On the other hand, maybe her handlers were told by the CIA/DIA to cut this mouse loose so that he might lead them to the cheese. But that's probably reaching....

Not such a reach IMHO. There are several scenarios where this might play out to our advantage. At the least, this guy won't be wondering around without some folks paying attention to his activities.

23 posted on 05/01/2002 4:58:57 AM PDT by toddst
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To: realpatriot71
we start stooping to their level

I guess you are going to tell me we should have ignored Pearl Harbor because reacting would have been "stooping" to the level of the Japanese.

I play to win. By any means necessary. If some Arab terrorist loses some rights, I hate it for him. If he doesn't like it, he can go back home.

24 posted on 05/01/2002 5:01:30 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
I guess you are going to tell me we should have ignored Pearl Harbor because reacting would have been "stooping" to the level of the Japanese.

Don't be dense Appy. That argument is a strawman, not applying to the issue at hand. Fighting the Japanese was an action of self-defense against an agressor similar to our action in Afghanstian

I play to win. By any means necessary. If some Arab terrorist loses some rights, I hate it for him. If he doesn't like it, he can go back home.

I see, and someone who stands up for PROVEN Constitutuional principles is somehow NOT playing to win. This is the USA, Home of the Brave and Free, we respect certain inalienable rights such as those of life and self-defense. Our system is set up, for good reason, with the burden of proof to rest on the accuser. When good investigative work is done, and the rules are followed, we put away the bad guys almost every time. Innoscense does not have to be proven. It is assumed, until proven otherwise. That's the proven system we have. Those are our principles and our rules. To violate them is to go against everything that is "American" in the first place. You want a court that does as it pleases, when it pleases, with the accused move to China or Cuba. If you want to support such measures, if you are not mature enough to understand the underlying principles, fine, but please refrain from ever calling yourself a patriot or lover of this great land again.

25 posted on 05/01/2002 5:28:28 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
Next time you get robbed, defend yourself with a copy of the Constitution. I prefer a gun. I'd rather stoop to their level than end up dead.
26 posted on 05/01/2002 7:48:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Next time you get robbed, defend yourself with a copy of the Constitution. I prefer a gun. I'd rather stoop to their level than end up dead.

Two words: Straw Man - This seems to be your preferred debate style

Again don't be dense. You don't defend an immediate physical initiation of force with a document. You defend immediate physical force with immediate physical force.

Should I point out that we were talking about the principles of the judicial system? Follow the rules, prove the guilt of the accuse and you have no problems do you. Cutting corners is for lazy weak minded people.

I'd prefer to keep my principles, CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES, than succumb to the fear and paranoia of the weak minded

27 posted on 05/01/2002 8:04:59 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
We are talking about terrorists who killed 3000 people. We need to destroy them BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. If some Arab gets his feelings hurt, that's too bad. There's a boat leaving every day.
28 posted on 05/01/2002 8:09:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
I agree we need to go after terrorists, but you must DEMONSTRATE that the accused is actually guilty. Its a contrasting quality of those who have morality and those who don't. Principles are not be cast aside at a whim.
29 posted on 05/01/2002 8:17:18 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: AppyPappy
..you sound like the realpatriot in this thread ;-)
30 posted on 05/01/2002 8:18:41 AM PDT by Registered
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To: Spar
When are you going to realize that this Country operates on a system based on laws and not one based on the concept of justice?
31 posted on 05/01/2002 8:26:11 AM PDT by verity
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To: realpatriot71
I think we did prove it. The method for obtaining the proof was upsetting to someone.
32 posted on 05/01/2002 8:31:09 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Spar
When arrested, he had portraits of Osama Bin Laden in both his bedroom and car.

BLOAT, Cache, and Take Names!

33 posted on 05/01/2002 8:39:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Lancey Howard,Spar
Is that a yell for Uncle Sam to 'save you'......are you so readily willing to use the Constitution for toilet paper as the leaders of this fine nation are/do?

Have you signed up to be your local neighborhood snitch watch person yet? Will you tell us when we should start spelling America with a K instead of a C?

You sound like a hysterical soccer mom.....

34 posted on 05/01/2002 9:05:04 AM PDT by Rowdee
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To: Rowdee; AppyPappy; Travis McGee; realpatriot71
The hell I am. This was thrown out to protect Clinton ass, IMHO. It had nothing to do with bad police work.
35 posted on 05/01/2002 9:56:43 AM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar
Pursuant to US Constituion, Article III, Section 3, I believe this to be an overt act.
36 posted on 05/01/2002 10:00:54 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Travis McGee
Bump to this...
37 posted on 05/01/2002 10:03:32 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: realpatriot71
In 1942, should we only have gone after the pilots who dropped the bombs on Pearl Harbor, and perhaps the generals and admerals directly in the line of command who gave the orders?

How exactly would we have done that, without making war on Japan?

Grow up.

38 posted on 05/01/2002 10:10:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Spar
Honey.....don't get your shorts all in a wad....go back to reading comic books....and leave Constitutional issues to those who read them. :)
39 posted on 05/01/2002 10:10:07 AM PDT by Rowdee
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To: Travis McGee
C'mon, now - there's a difference between making war and prosecuting criminals. If you want to arrest this guy and prosecute him like a criminal, follow the rules that are in place to do so. If you want to treat him like a prisoner of war, then do that. But don't try to have it both ways.
40 posted on 05/01/2002 10:15:24 AM PDT by general_re
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