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Were There Jews in the Nazi Army?
chronicle.com ^ | May 3, 2002 | DANNY POSTEL

Posted on 04/30/2002 5:31:11 PM PDT by swarthyguy

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To: SauronOfMordor
If a Jew in Poland was a Catholic convert, he could attend a church for those individuals in the ghetto. The beatified Edith Stein was in belonged to that church, but was sent to a death camp like all the other residents of the Warsaw ghetto. In any case, the nazis could only(on a practical level) track records up to grandparents, and rarely, a bit further.
81 posted on 05/01/2002 12:47:27 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Fabozz
The monk won the case, I believe.
82 posted on 05/01/2002 12:49:01 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: swarthyguy
bookmarked...
83 posted on 05/01/2002 1:08:00 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: sheik yerbouty
"The monk won the case, I believe."

You may be thinking of a different, more recent monk, one I'm not aware of. The person I'm talking about, Brother Daniel (ne Oswald Rufeisen), lost his case, in 1962. The Chief Rabbi of Israel, who was consulted about the case but held no power, actually ruled in his favor—Brother Daniel was indeed halakhically Jewish—but the Supreme Court ruled against him.

84 posted on 05/01/2002 1:37:22 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Fabozz
Guess "we'll have to go to the video tape!"
85 posted on 05/01/2002 3:15:32 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: SauronOfMordor
How did Sammy Davis fit in to this definition? Did he have a "right of return"?
86 posted on 05/01/2002 7:40:23 PM PDT by Edmund Burke
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To: Edmund Burke
A Return ticket? He couldn't even get a transfer. Sammy Davis Jr. once boarded a bus in the segregated South, and the driver ordered him to the back. "But I'm Jewish," Davis replied. "Then get off," the driver demanded.
87 posted on 05/01/2002 8:02:41 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: SauronOfMordor
> "Jewishness" is matrilinial -- ie you are Jewish if your mother is Jewish.

That is only a manmade rule, created to serve a political need. Jesus lineage is patrilineal (See Matthew 1.)

88 posted on 05/04/2002 6:11:10 PM PDT by skraeling
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To: Cicero
> interesting how desperate the standard academic historians are to deprecate and diminish his accomplishment. What a bunch of insecure dweebs they are.

That's quite an understatement! Much like what Schlieman found when he went in search of Troy.

Try doing research on any subject where "all the answers are known", like about the Lost Tribes of Israel, and see how much support you get. Virtually none from established, entrenched, and timid clergy. Very little from "scholars" who are too lazy to redo their lecture notes, and outright hostility from vested interests that don't want their boats rocked. Whole empires are based on faulty but established "known answers".

Fortunately, I got some good support when I attended Oxford; from a lone Jewish Professor, but not from the Protestant ones. Some of the results are reflected in my Profile.

89 posted on 05/04/2002 7:03:13 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: jonatron
>By the way this whole thing is a non-issue, because in the days of the Patriachs, it didn't matter what the mother was. And the whole mother-determining jewishness rule was a rabbinical innovation of the middle ages.

>For instance if there really was maternal transmission of jewishness solely, there would be a tribe named after Jacob's daughter Dinah.

Excellent! I missed this earlier.

90 posted on 05/04/2002 7:22:15 PM PDT by skraeling
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To: SauronOfMordor
My sister-in-law was born Jewish, converted to Christianity, married a Baptist, raised her two daughters as Christians, and the oldest just married a Christian.

Would you consider them Jews?

They are Jewish according to halachah (Jewish law). Should they at some future time decide to become Jewish, they would technically not have to go through a formal conversion. However, if they practice Christianity, and identify as Christians so practically speaking, they are not Jews.

91 posted on 05/04/2002 7:28:30 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: SJackson
labeling them "Jewish Soldiers" is a bit bizarre, though obviously attractive from a publicity standpoint

This reminds me of the "Black Confederates" that frequently are mentioned in Civil War discussions. There were many Blacks (slaves and free men) who held non-combat support positions in the Confederate Army. But there were also some slave-owning "FMOC" (Free Men of Color) who became soldiers, passing as white. The FMOC had 1/16 Black ancestry and there according to the Louisiana "Black Code" were to be considered "Black" although they looked white and considered themselves socially superior to Blacks.

92 posted on 05/04/2002 7:34:26 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
I've read there were 10,000 to 15,000 "Black Confederates" in direct combat roles (many more, ten's of thousands in non-combat), usually listed as "personal servants" or more commonly teamsters. Usually in state militia units, but serving as early as 1st Manassas.

In the early 1900s the United Confederate Veterans tried to raise money for the 40 acres and a mule since, in not American, it was the Confederate thing to do.

"None will deny that our servants are more worthy of respect than the motley hordes which come against us. Bad faith [to black Confederates] must be avoided as an indelible dishonor."
Richmond Sentinel, Mar 24, 1864.
Robert E.Lee, maybe, but maybe just the correspondent.

IMO, this "Jewish Nazi" stuff, those who wish to define people's rights by the belief's of an unknown grandparent (even though he may have had a "lost" contributation to make) takes us to places that are alien to American culture.

93 posted on 05/05/2002 4:42:26 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: sheik yerbouty
If there were jews in the Nazi Army they were very diligent about covering up the fact, count on it
95 posted on 06/10/2002 11:46:28 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: arabisraelites; Admin Moderator
Go peddle your horses**t someplace else.
98 posted on 06/10/2002 12:11:26 PM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton
arabisraelites member since June 10th, 2002

99 posted on 06/10/2002 12:17:54 PM PDT by facedown
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To: arabisraelites
>There is no lost tribes of Israel.

Ahhhuuummmm, I reviewed the site you mentioned and find little there but sweaty ranting and feverish shouting. If you had something Biblical or Archeological references to go on I would be happy to discuss the topic with you.

Meanwhile, please Click on my Profile and read the 3-MINUTE History to see what really went on, and find out who is who.

100 posted on 06/10/2002 12:38:47 PM PDT by LostTribe
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