Posted on 04/30/2002 3:13:35 PM PDT by SunStar
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
JERUSALEM
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
| For a whiff of truth: | |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part I http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668601/posts Non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence |
Steyn: The UN is running out of blind eyes to turn http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669411/posts Interesting link on UN backpedaling |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part II http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669632/posts Palestinians drop their hyped-up "massacre" charges |
Atrocities of the British Press http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669206/posts Huge amounts of ink devoted to unverified Pali tales |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part III http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672189/posts Hey, Jimmy Carter has an opinion too!! |
Reporters Back Down From Jenin "Massacre" Reports http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668509/posts World press forced to face the truth: No Massacre |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part IV http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672160/posts Yet more non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence |
NY POST: THE MASSACRE THAT WASN'T http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/667529/posts Peres: There wasn't a house that wasn't booby-trapped |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part V http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673145/posts The Pali's contradict themselves and blame it on Israel |
Steyn: It's time to snap out of Arab fantasy land http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669063/posts Some great Oriana Fallaci quotes/links as well |
| An interesting juxtaposition of tales: | |
| Message From An Israeli On The Front Lines http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673234/posts "Entire families exploded themselves! It was horrific." |
Palestinian Fighter admits: No Massacre in Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671903/posts 2,000 bombs and booby-traps placed in the camp |
| Pediatrician: terrorists used children in Jenin camp http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670962/posts Doctor: IDF did everything possible to avoid civilian harm |
Palestinians Booby-Trap Wheelchair in Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670810/posts NOTE: The wheelchair was occupied!! |
| Jenin War Diary of a Hasidic Soldier http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672951/posts Israeli citizen-soldier describes what went on in Jenin |
Palestinian fighter's version of the Jenin battle http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672896/posts Pali Plan: Trap Israeli soldiers, then blow them up |
| And so, in conclusion: | |
| Massacre Claims Unsupported by Palestinian Fighters http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675129/posts Pali eyewitnesses all support the Israeli version |
The Phantom Massacre http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672761/posts War Crimes in Jenin were committed by the Palis |
| The Jenin Probe Ends http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675737/posts UN unhappy about Israel's possible exhoneration |
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It is not mudslinging or personal attacks to point out that you are lying.
Your blatant lies do not alter the fact. The UN disbanded the UN fact-finding mission because there were no facts to find.
Besides, {{{{{{{ cricket }}}}}}} boy, you simply WILL NOT ANSWER this post, because you cannot.
Liar.
Shill.
Avoider of uncomfortable questions.
Obviously, you have no intention of even approaching the concept of intellectual honesty, so this post is more for the people playing at home:
You accuse my questions of being loaded. Please explain the 'loading' in this statement:
There is a question in that paragraph. It asks if you believe Kofi Anan is an incompetent politician. No loading there. I also explain that he has available to him, a most excellent propaganda ploy available to him. That statement is not loaded. I explain what would be the results of his actions. That statement is not loaded.
No loading again. If the mission continued, whatever level of suspicion Israel is presently under, it would increase.
Many people I have heard comment on this disbanding state that it looks like the UN folded. Explain why that might be the case?
You lie about absolutely EVERYTHING, including the nature of my questions.
Liar.
Shill.
Avoider of uncomfortable questions.
Tell me 3/7ths, why does the UN need to send a "fact-finding mission, if the camp is UN controled in the first place? How about a "fact-finding" mission to discover how a UN building housed a bomb factory? Isn't a UN mission to find facts in Jenin like Charlie Manson as the Judge and Jury on his own trial?
Oh, so Kofi Anan is suddenly incompetent as a politician? He among anyone would know the incredible propaganda coup available to him if he would insist on the mission to Jenin. If Israel refused, he could claim a moral win.
One false premise is that Kofi Annan's political competence is the issue. The issue is Israel's refusal to accept the UN mission. A second false premise is that Annan's purpose is to achieve a "propaganda coup", a "moral win". The UN people went out of their way to try and overcome Israeli objections, only to be rebuffed.
Explain why Kofi Anan suddenly lost all the political skills he has demonstrated in his rise to the UN Sec Gen position.
Again, the false premise is that Kofi Annan's political skills are the issue.
Explain why he does not see that continuation of the mission would increase the suspicion of Israel.
The false premise here is that the goal of the mission is to "increase the suspicion of Israel". It's a fact-finding mission. The goal is to uncover the facts. Let the chips fall where they may.
Explain why he does not see that the disbanding looks like a clear fold by the UN.
The false premise here is that what Annan sees is the issue. Whether Annan views abandoning the UN mission as a "clear fold by the UN", or not, is irrelevant. The relevant point is that Israel has blocked the UN mission.
You lie about absolutely EVERYTHING, including the nature of my questions.
Look in the mirror when you say that.
Can you not understand how bad it is going to look if the UN goes there and finds nothing? The only way to salvage face at this point is quit and blame it on the Jews. After all 3/7ths, what part of Cnn Nbc Bbc Abc Mbc is not international observers? Hundreds of journalists have combed the camps with microscopes looking for jucy photos and have only come up with storys that are neutral at best, most American journalists have flat stated there was no massacre.
Just think, hundreds of tanks, thousands of soldiers in a full military invasion killed far less men than the Palestinians killed Women and Children during the last Cease fire that the Pali's declared. If the Israeli's had just have been careless with all that millitary might concentrated in a city, they would have killed thousands. So it is pretty obvious to the least common sense that a masacare did not happen at the Israeli hands, and one did at the Palestinian hands. But then you never have seen the obvious before, why start now.
THAT is what Kofi is afraid to investgate, and why he has backed down.
Perhaps he wanted to avoid further embarrassment after reading the Boston Globe piece of Monday?
Incorrect. The UN in general and Kofi Anan in particular has sided repeatedly with the Palestinians. example / example / example / example / example
Being as Kofi Anan's motivations can be clearly discerned from the actions he takes, which is to consistently decry Israel, without decrying Palestinian attacks against CIVILIAN TARGETS (except one example I found of such a condemnation), it is clear to anyone with a brain that he is motivated against Israel. Since he is obviously motivated against Israel, he would, naturally, take actions that would paint Israel in a bad light whenever possible.
The issue is Israel's refusal to accept the UN mission. The UN people went out of their way to try and overcome Israeli objections, only to be rebuffed.
Incorrect. You are a liar, outright. From the AP: "Earlier Tuesday, Israel's security Cabinet--led by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon--voted almost unanimously against letting the investigation proceed unless six conditions were met. U.N. officials contend that some of the Israeli concerns have been addressed, whereas the others cannot or will not be."
The UN refused to meet Israels demands. None of those demands have anything to do with access to any area of Jenin. None of those demands have anything to do with Palestinian witnesses or their testimony. So you lied. They did NOT 'go out of their way' to meet Israels demands.
A second false premise is that Annan's purpose is to achieve a "propaganda coup", a "moral win". The UN people went out of their way to try and overcome Israeli objections, only to be rebuffed.
You may call it a false premise if you wish, but it is not. Anan is indeed a master politician, and politicians routinely attempt to achieve propaganda coups and moral wins. Or are you so utterly blind that you will not even concede THAT? Are you of the opinion that politicians only work for the good of their constituents? Go ahead, tell me that, so I can laugh right in your face.
The false premise here is that the goal of the [UN] mission is to "increase the suspicion of Israel". It's a fact-finding mission. The goal is to uncover the facts. Let the chips fall where they may.
The UN is not a body that can evaluate these issues in a responsible manner, and certainly not after it has proven its lack of sincerity by not offering to investigate even one of the terrible terrorist massacres that Israel has suffered at the hands of the Palestinians. NOT EVEN ONE.
The false premise here is that what Annan sees is the issue. Whether Annan views abandoning the UN mission as a "clear fold by the UN", or not, is irrelevant.
You have severe reading comprehension problems. I did not say that Anan's views on abandoning the UN mission matters. I said that it is viewed by the rest of the world as a 'fold'.
"You lie about absolutely EVERYTHING, including the nature of my questions."
Look in the mirror when you say that.
Funny, I just did, but all I saw was your face.
That only indicates that, in each of these cases, they determined that the Palestinian side was right and the Israeli side was wrong. I agree.
Being as Kofi Anan's motivations can be clearly discerned from the actions he takes, which is to consistently decry Israel, without decrying Palestinian attacks against CIVILIAN TARGETS (except one example I found of such a condemnation), it is clear to anyone with a brain that he is motivated against Israel. Since he is obviously motivated against Israel, he would, naturally, take actions that would paint Israel in a bad light whenever possible.
Smearing Kofi Annan won't alter the fact: Israel puts itself in a bad light by blocking the UN's fact-finding mission.
From the AP: "Earlier Tuesday, Israel's security Cabinet--led by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon--voted almost unanimously against letting the investigation proceed unless six conditions were met. U.N. officials contend that some of the Israeli concerns have been addressed, whereas the others cannot or will not be."
The UN refused to meet Israels demands. None of those demands have anything to do with access to any area of Jenin. None of those demands have anything to do with Palestinian witnesses or their testimony. So you lied. They did NOT 'go out of their way' to meet Israels demands.
The UN people did go out of their way to try and overcome Israeli objections. However, they could not be expected to agree to unreasonable Israeli demands that would overly compromise the mission.
The UN is not a body that can evaluate these issues in a responsible manner, and certainly not after it has proven its lack of sincerity by not offering to investigate even one of the terrible terrorist massacres that Israel has suffered at the hands of the Palestinians. NOT EVEN ONE.
That complaint is just a red herring. This UN mission was approved unanimously by the UN Security Council, including the United States. Israel is free to request a separate UN investigation of terrorist attacks in Israel anytime it wants. That shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the UN fact-finding mission to the occupied territories.
The UN has proven its lack of objectivity: Anan has only ONCE denounced the Palestinians for suicide bombings. The UN is extremely anti-Israel and the many condemnations of Israel with no like condemnation of Palestinians is evidence, not of wholesale Israeli evil, but of the lack of objectivity of the UN.
Smearing Kofi Annan won't alter the fact: Israel puts itself in a bad light by blocking the UN's fact-finding mission.
It is not smearing Kofi Anan to call him a politician. Your failure to admit that he is a political animal speaks to your intellectual dishonesty.
The UN people did go out of their way to try and overcome Israeli objections. However, they could not be expected to agree to unreasonable Israeli demands that would overly compromise the mission.
They would have complete and unfettered access to the site where this alleged 'massacre' took place. Unfettered access to the Palestinian witnesses. Limited access to Israeli military units. If I was Anan, I would grab what I could and gather the evidence I could.
The fact he does not belies the probability that he knows no evidence is there.
"The UN is not a body that can evaluate these issues in a responsible manner, and certainly not after it has proven its lack of sincerity by not offering to investigate even one of the terrible terrorist massacres that Israel has suffered at the hands of the Palestinians. NOT EVEN ONE."
That complaint is just a red herring.
BS! It speaks volumes as to the uncompromising anti-Israeli bias of the UN! Man, you are purposely obtuse.
This UN mission was approved unanimously by the UN Security Council, including the United States.
The mission was approved at this meeting, but the makeup of the mission and the players who would do the investigating was NOT in the United State's control. The makeup of the mission was entirely at the discretion of Anan. More and more stridently anti-Israeli investigators were selected, until soon there was little doubt as to the true intention of this mission:
Israel is free to request a separate UN investigation of terrorist attacks in Israel anytime it wants.
Oh please. How far do you think that would get, with all your anti-semitic goons in the UN????
They should do it just to get it on the record, but playing obtuse and pretending it would get anywhere is another example of lying on your part.
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