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To: CatoRenasci
That said, Mr. Pollard is hardly "as British as anyone" if he's only the third generation born in England. The English are something of a mix of Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes and Normans, but most of the British have dozens of generations in the British Isles.

That was the whole point of the article, which you appear to validate. One would think that a Westerner, and especially an American, would judge another by his conduct, not bloodlines. When the author saiys he is "as British as anyone," he means that he is versed in and follows British traditions, knows country's history, pays taxes, probably has members of the family that served in the armed forces, etc.

That was exactly the point that, despite the alleged enlightenment and contrary to the stated aspirations of the British society, it is the bloodlines that matter --- and matter exclusively.

It is surprising that you find this to be so natural.

The English at home have hardly ever been accused of accepting non-Englishmen into their society. He shouldn't be the least surprised it's coming out.

Oh, how compassionate of you. So, you are born to patriotic parents, you grow up to be an honest citizen, you aspire to do service for your country ---- and all the while you are supposed to expect to be kicked out?

This is a pretty heartless remark.

36 posted on 04/30/2002 3:22:46 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Please, I fear you misundertand me. I'm not saying I agree with the conduct of the British. I don't, and my forebears some 350 years ago didn't, and other forebears fought two wars against England because they didn't, which is why 'in spite of all the temptations, to belong to other Nations, I am an American' not an Englishman, to twist Gilbert & Sullivan's paen to Englishness.

I find it natural in the English because I know them and how they think. Classical liberal (Whig) England gave us the notion of equality before the law, even if there remained social disabilities, and that's more or less what is still true in England: there is no discrimination against Jews in getting places at Oxford or Cambridge or in finance in the City, what discrimination exists is social.

What I said, and I maintain, is that it surprises me that any bright person raised in England would not understand that howevermuch the ethnic 'English' may be perfectly happy to admit others to the privileges of citizenship, and even the peerage, it doesn't mean they have to like them or socizlize with them. Young Mr. Pollard has been unobservant if he didn't realize this. Is it OK? No. Is it a fact? Yes.

I appreciate many things about the English, including their steadfastness generally and as our allies in particular. But, they are and always have been quite ethnocentric.

42 posted on 04/30/2002 5:30:36 PM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: TopQuark
TQ, methinks your skin is too thin.
43 posted on 04/30/2002 5:39:51 PM PDT by doberville
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