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Now I know that I will always be an outsider in Britain
The Independent (U.K.) ^ | 05/012002 | Stephen Pollard

Posted on 04/30/2002 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
decent, liberal sorts, who had, as students, signed up with me to all the right causes: protesting outside South Africa House, boycotting Barclays and demanding "no platform for racists and fascists". I would have sworn...

I wonder if he's noticed what a pest-hole southern Africa has become since they all "signed up for the right causes?"

41 posted on 04/30/2002 3:55:31 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: TopQuark
Please, I fear you misundertand me. I'm not saying I agree with the conduct of the British. I don't, and my forebears some 350 years ago didn't, and other forebears fought two wars against England because they didn't, which is why 'in spite of all the temptations, to belong to other Nations, I am an American' not an Englishman, to twist Gilbert & Sullivan's paen to Englishness.

I find it natural in the English because I know them and how they think. Classical liberal (Whig) England gave us the notion of equality before the law, even if there remained social disabilities, and that's more or less what is still true in England: there is no discrimination against Jews in getting places at Oxford or Cambridge or in finance in the City, what discrimination exists is social.

What I said, and I maintain, is that it surprises me that any bright person raised in England would not understand that howevermuch the ethnic 'English' may be perfectly happy to admit others to the privileges of citizenship, and even the peerage, it doesn't mean they have to like them or socizlize with them. Young Mr. Pollard has been unobservant if he didn't realize this. Is it OK? No. Is it a fact? Yes.

I appreciate many things about the English, including their steadfastness generally and as our allies in particular. But, they are and always have been quite ethnocentric.

42 posted on 04/30/2002 5:30:36 PM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: TopQuark
TQ, methinks your skin is too thin.
43 posted on 04/30/2002 5:39:51 PM PDT by doberville
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
The Gypsies.
44 posted on 04/30/2002 5:43:26 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: Ancesthntr
I am half French and my mother lives in France, and I lived there as a kid. I see negative posts all the time lately about France and the French, but I accept it and try to understand why people feel the way they do. I don't dare complain about it because that just makes people think less of you.

More people need to take the human nature into consideration and realize you can't change it and probably shouldn't try to pretend it doesn't exist. Since the beginning of time various groups have been at war or had long-standing disagreements in some form against groups of "Others"

45 posted on 04/30/2002 6:36:34 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: moyden
Liberals prefer victims. They can't stand anyone who transcends the limitations placed on them by Leftist idiocy. The Klintoons and Kennedys (along with the ever heinous Rosie O'Donut) are prime examples of liberalthink.
46 posted on 04/30/2002 6:39:44 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: RWCon
I'm a Christian first and an American second. Does that mean I would be "asking for it" if I were discriminated against for my Christianity? No.

You are so transparent.

47 posted on 04/30/2002 8:42:44 PM PDT by Goldsters
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To: LarryLied
Larrylied, I have been reading your posts here for months now. I believe I have gotten to know you fairly well. Goodness knows you put your notions on display with incredible frequency.

At some point a Jew must have done you a bad turn. You live in Palm Beach County. I know the area has a significant Jewish population. Did that bad turn occur there? You toture yourself, by your own admition, by listening to a Jewish talk show host who happens to be quite Liberal. You quote her often. Seems like this would be something you could ignore. You can't seem to get past it.

I don't pretend to be a shrink. I do think you are obsessed with Jews and anything they touch. You spend hour upon hour here posting anything you possibly can find which can be perceived as being negative about Jews. The time you spend in this pursuit is stunning. Hours upon hours spent with those damn Jews in your sights.

I fully realize what you will return with here is the canard that "one can be anti-Zionist and not anti-Semetic." However, like it or not it is obvious to anyone who reads your posts that you have long ago left that notion behind.

In short you have an obsession. I think you have crossed the line from intellectual challenge and discourse. Your desire is to draw blood. The pain inside you seems to dissipate only by striking out at your perceived tormentors. What was it Larry? A promotion you didn't get? A woman you lost to a Jewish man? Or just an overall perception of dissatisfaction in your life that cries out for an outside source to focus your anger?

People who love FR and the Conservative movement have undoubtedly encountered your rantings. They realize the vast amount of time you must spend digging, constantly digging for the holy grail that will convince the rest of us the Jews are a scourge in this country and worldwide.

I for one feel sorry for you. The pain you must carry around must amount to a heck of a burden. Your obsessions and demons must be awful to carry around. I hope some day you are able to enjoy life once again. In the meantime whenever I encounter your obvious hate I will simply shake my head and tell myself,"what a waste".

48 posted on 04/30/2002 8:45:44 PM PDT by davidtalker
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To: davidtalker
admission
49 posted on 04/30/2002 8:47:46 PM PDT by davidtalker
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To: Pokey78
So nice to know that his "liberal" friends are not racist and are soooo very tolerant. As for him, he was happy to go along with their liberal delusions of grandure and intellecutal supremacy, happy to fit right in, now his ox is being gored.

This is how it always goes when Nazi socialists, the most jealous, mean spirited, spiteful, egotistical, control freak, soul dead, twice dead, moraless, chillingly banal in their mindless illogical evil, currs on the face of the earth are considered the enlightened elite.

50 posted on 04/30/2002 9:05:19 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: LarryLied
You seem mainly concerned with only one.
51 posted on 04/30/2002 9:21:12 PM PDT by SmithW6079
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To: SmithW6079
Look at lastest posts for the reason why. I would prefer this forum concerned itself with America's war on terror and advancing the conservative cause but some have another agenda. So I comment on what is the main topic of discussion.
52 posted on 04/30/2002 9:40:22 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: RichardsSweetRose
Ping
53 posted on 05/01/2002 12:14:09 AM PDT by Liberty Belle
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To: Pinlighter; davidtalker
Obvious, isn't it? We're seeing Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals used everyday on FR now. The mental health issue is straight from the Soviet Union.

Things must not be going so well in the plan to force Bush into making the American war on terror into an American/Israeli was on Arabs.

56 posted on 05/01/2002 1:18:35 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: CatoRenasci
Many thanks for your informative reply; I have indeed misconstrued your previous post.

I appreciate also your insight into the ethnocentrism of the English. Many behaviors that stem from it are empirically indistinguishable from the obsession with class, so some of the things to which you refer I have attributed to the latter. Perhaps, I have indeed underestimated the ethnocentrism of the English.

Like you, I am grateful to the English for preserving for us the idea of representation in government that they themselves brought from the continent as part of the Teutonic tradition. I'm also grateful for the overall enlightenment of that society in comparison with the continental Europe --- the enlightenment, which we imported in the beginning of our own history. I do not miss, of course, their preoccupation with class and ethnocentrism.

Thank you again for your nice and informative note.

57 posted on 05/01/2002 4:17:37 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: doberville
TQ, methinks your skin is too thin. Not that I would consider that a fault, but thin skin is often confused with high stadards.
58 posted on 05/01/2002 4:18:58 AM PDT by TopQuark
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