Thanks to protesters, children saw horrifying images

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | April 27, 2002 | CAROL BENDER- letter to editor

[Godel]

Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.

Whats the point of this statistic? If more white women were killing their unborn children then it wouldnt be a problem? I ask because thats what this implies. Are things only a problem if they impact minorities more than whites? Its just like those studies they show where more minorities die because of not wearing a seat belt than whites. So what? If more white people stopped wearing seat belts then the number of people dying would be equal, would that solve the problem, more white deaths? Thats what I really hate about this racial aspect, the number of black vs white deaths isnt the problem, any death is a problem. Emphasizing that more of a particular race are effected winds up implying that it wouldnt be a problem if it was equal, or that somehow that race is more important and it would be better off if the other race was suffering this horror.

[Godel]

Get the picture. Once again, two wrongs don't make a right. I wouldn't want my kids seeing pictures of any of the above mentioned acts.

Big difference. If showing the pictures of Jews getting gassed to Germans changed things and made them realize what they were doing and stop the murders, then wouldn't it be worth it? Showing the pictures now would be nothing more than cruelty since you can't stop something that occured in the past. Abortions however occur every day, and I dont really see a problem with forcing people to confront the reality of a practice that they sanction. If you went up and showed pictures of blacks being whipped during slavery, I'm sure racist slave owners would react exactly like you are now. But the fact is that showing people the true facts and horrible results of their policies, does sometimes have an influence in changing the opinions of moral/open-minded people.

[Godel]

There is a difference between making pictures available to those who wish to see them, and putting them in front of people who do not wish to see them.

How many babies wish to be aborted?

[MattAMiller]

Justify it all you want. These tactics don't work, they only satisfy the person who practices them. Shock tactics don't work for PETA and they won't work for you.

I suspect that a hard-core pro-choicer would simply say "Well it looks like a baby, but that doesn't mean it's anything more than a fetus" or perhaps you could find a real degenerate who would consider it all very ugly but necessary.

I believe your only hardening attitudes. Fence sitters who be better wooed by noteing that being pro-life, especially with regard to partial-birth abortion, is far from a fringe issue. These people like having company.

[antidisestablishment]

I just pulled the stats; I don't compile them. :)

I agree that any death by abortion is horrendous, regardless of race, creed or ability. But, the fact that children of all races are being slaughtered doesn’t disguise the truth that PP is the largest proponent of genocide. Margaret Sanger, the founder of PP, was a racist, an anti-Semite and a utilitarian. She wanted to destroy the inferior races and those who were, in her view, “unfit to live”. The fact that abortions still disproportionately affect minorities exposes the lies of liberal propaganda.

Discussing the philosophies of a homicidal maniac could be viewed as trivial, however, it is important to understand that these same ideas drive PP today. Peter Singer is not breaking new ground; he is simply continuing Sanger’s work. They are children of the same father—the father of lies.

We need to expose the racism that founded and the abortion industry and we need to demolish the utilitarian ideology that legitimizes it today. By destroying these doctrines, we deny the proponents motivation and moral sanction. If we cannot eradicate the underlying philosophies, how can we ever expect to abolish the acts which naturally flow from such beliefs? Ultimately, it is a moral and spiritual battle and will only be won on those grounds.

[DumpsterDiver]

How do you respond to a 3-year-old about such violent photos?

Tell her the truth. Don't lie to her. "Honey, that's what other mommies to be do to their children before they're born because they don't want them."

There is no good reason for "explaining" abortion to a 3-year old.

[syriacus]

From what I've read, many abortion mills perform sonograms on women before performing abortions (necessary to determine the position and condition of the fetus) but refuse to let the women see them

The other day, I was very surprised to hear someone mention this refusal to show sonograms. If the sonograms are being made, then it seems that "informed consent" would include showing them to the patients.

My son got to see the image of his kidney stones before he had them removed. Medicine has definitely moved in the direction of educating patients.

Are abortion providers assuming women are "stupider" than men and shouldn't see what is going to be removed and where "it" is located? How sexist!!!

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Illinois Attourney-General-Elect Lisa Madigan has attacked "phony crisis-pregnancy centers that don't offer abortions". I suspect Democrat officials in some other states have raised similar complaints.

Same thing with Eliot Spitzer, AG of NY State.

One side of the story is at SPITZER SUBPOENAS EXPOSE HIS TRUE ABORTION AGENDA -By Alicia Colon, For The New York Sun

            You have to hand it to our State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. He knows how to keep his supporters happy and after he narrowly won that tight race against AG Dennis Vacco in 1988, he expressed his gratitude to abortion advocates for helping him succeed.  The National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) and others gave generous financial contributions to his campaign and he has proved to be a very committed investment.

One of his earliest actions as attorney general was to seek an injunction against a coalition of pro-life groups and that was only the beginning. Spitzer also filed papers in federal court labeling abortion clinic protesters as "nuisances" and demanding an expansion of buffer zones to 60 feet, an action that an appellate court sharply rebuked because it would effectively ban a constitutionally protected activity.

But now it's an election year and it's time for him to rally his supporters again. Thus it came as no surprise when Spitzer continued his harassment of the [abortion providers'] rivals by issuing sweeping subpoenas to ten of the pregnancy crisis centers offering alternatives to abortion. 

Spitzer's side of the story--SPITZER REACHES AGREEMENT WITH UPSTATE CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER
Discussions Underway to Ensure Compliance at other CPC Facilities

[syriacus]

Those are just pictures (about the eqivalent of say, a violent TV program, or something you might see on the Internet).

Even ads for movies (on TV, in the papers) have been pretty gruesome. Hallowe'en costumes can be pretty gruesome. The fact that the child referred to the fetuses as looking like "scary monsters" shows the child has seen scary images already.

The mom does not need to tell the child the really scary thing...that the inquisitive child in the picture will never get to ask questions about the world around her.

[syriacus]

I believe your only hardening attitudes.

The self-evident contrast between the cute fetuses in the GE sonograms ("We bring good things to life") and the mangled fetuses in the pictures, scares the pants off the pro-extermination crowd.

• The "scary pictures" will not have to be shown very often or very long to get their point across.
• The public discussion of the effectiveness of the pictures is helpful.

The pro-abort clique wanted the issue quietly swept under the carpet. They liked the staus quo. They don't like having to rewin a battle, when they thought they had won the war.

[syriacus]

There is no good reason for "explaining" abortion to a 3-year old.

The mommy can merely reaffirm the child's own observation--- She can say something along the lines of

"Gee, Honey, you're right. That does look like a scary monster"

[general_re]

Talk about a blast from the past - I see this thread has been resurrected, and that I never really answer your last post to me ;)

So, what do you think, from the perspective of six months later? Is the waving of the bloody pictures a good or a bad tactic?

[DumpsterDiver]

The mommy can merely reaffirm the child's own observation--- She can say something along the lines of: "Gee, Honey, you're right. That does look like a scary monster"

That's how I would handle it. There are problems in life that should be left to adults to grapple with, not young children.

[luckystarmom]

Murders, rapes, etc happen every day and I would not show my kids pictures of those activities either. I don't show my kids the pictures of the suicide bombers. I don't think young kids need to be exposed to such violence.

At some point when they are teenagers, they will be exposed to all of that. However, I do not think 1,2,3.....,13 year olds need to be exposed to violence.

[Cicero]

Children are adaptable. It would be an opportunity to express your own horror and to talk about the sacredness of life. I would be careful about demonizing the abortionists however, and stress the positive.

[luckystarmom]

I don't think children are so adaptable. I don't like it when my children have nightmares or get scared.

They already have enough things to be worried about. They know a bad guy can take them, and all of my children already get worried enough about that.

In the history of the world, children were not shown horrible pictures of horrific events.

I use Jesus as my example of right and wrong, and I don't think Jesus would show those pictures to little children.

[Antoninus]

Yeah, and seeing pictures of the Holocaust is wrong, wrong, wrong, too. I wonder what you see when you go to the Holocaust museum in DC? Perhaps we need a national Abortion Holocaust museum in DC as well...

[syriacus]

I doubt that most little children would know what they were seeing if they have a quick glimpse at the pictures of the aborted fetuses.

Hallowe'en costumes, ads for movies on TV, and scary stories they hear from bigger kids are probably scarier.

If I were a little kid, I'd be more afraid of the GE ads for sonograms showing babies floating around in water inside their mommies. Fear of drowning looms large in a youngster's mind. However, I wouldn't tell GE to stop running their ads.

[Jeff Gordon]

About a year ago I saw a full sized billboard of a man with his entire nose gone.

I think that the people that put up those kinds of displays are mentally disturbed.

[syriacus]

I think that the people that put up those kinds of displays are mentally disturbed.

I wonder if they are.