They Were Socialists, and They Were Monsters!

N/A ^ | June 7, 1995 | William Cooper, Thomas Colton Ruthford

[handk]

The following was transcribed from "The Hour of the Time", hosted by William Cooper:

"Listen to this very carefully. Scoot up next to your radio. I don't want you to miss a word. I don't want you to miss anything. I have told you over and over and over again, for years. I wrote it in my book (click on book cover image below to access Amazon.com, the book's title is "Behold A Pale Horse"); my book's been in print for years, that this is a Nazi thing. The Nazis are coming. Socialism. Nazi means, "National Socialism". The Nazi Party was called the "National Socialist Workers Party."

The most shop-lifted book in Amercia!

Do you understand what I'm telling you? There is no such thing as oppression on the right. There is no such thing as Nazis on the right. There are no Fascists on the right. A scale measures opposing states.

All the way on the left you have total control, all the way on the right you have the absence of any control. All the way on the left it's called "Communism," where the state owns and controls everything, even you, and even your underwear. It's where you pretend to work and they pretend to pay you. It's where if you say the wrong word you disappear forever. It's where they have millions and millions of people in labor camps doing slave labor. It's where pogroms are held and whole populations are murdered, slaughtered, one-by-one, any political opposition is murdered.

All the way on the right is total absence of control. it's called anarchy! Anarchy is terrible. it means if I see your shirt and I want it, I just shoot you in the head and take it, and nobody cares. Except you, and you're dead.

In between is the range between these two things. Just above Communism are Nazis. Somewhere in the middle is a Republic, which is the United States of America. This is not a democracy, never was, it was never intended to be. If you don't believe it, read the writings of our Forefathers, who warned us against democracy."

[Reading]: "During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans and other people on the right -- the militias, patriots, Christians -- as Nazis, due to their attempt to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic! I remember the Nazis, and let me share with you a little about them and recall some of their exploits."

[Cooper speaking for himself]: "This letter appeared in the Arlington Washington Times, on June 7, 1995. It's a letter to the editor, and I'll tell you who wrote it at the end. Listen to every word ladies and gentlemen, you're not going to believe what you hear, but it is absolutely true!"

[Words appearing in brackets below and bold-faced are those of William Cooper, adding comments as he reads the letter]:

"During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans and other people on the right -- the militias, patriots, Christians -- as Nazis, due to their attempt to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic! I remember the Nazis, and let me share with you a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, "Nazi" was gutter-slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Beider-Meinhoff gang gave themselves the moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "National Socialist Workers Party of Germany." Hitler and the Brown Shirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, natural resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement." [Hello? Anybody home? One ringy-dingy... Does that ring any bells for you folks? Let me continue...]

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed and academic elite against the Conservative Republic. After Der Fuhrer's election, the Nazi Party ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon. Party membership was especially popular with educators, bereaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves, and this is an exact quote; "The Children of the New Age of World Order," and looked down their noses at everyone else.

As Hitler accrued more power, he began referring to his critics as; "...the dark forces of anarchy and hatred." Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness and the German press was branded a "conservative reactionary."

Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Communications, proclaimed, and I quote exactly; "A New World Order." The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the radio and in the newspapers. Paramilitary groups of Poles, Jews, Bohemians and Gypsies were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order," and Hitler demanded that "all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of terrorists and madmen," and that's a direct quote; "...fall into the hands of terrorists and madmen."

"Right-wing fanatics" of the old order who protested firearms registration were arrested by the SS and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the government of the German people."

Then the Reichstag [which was the "seat" of the German government, just like the our American equivalent, the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C.] was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an emergency anti-terrorist act through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extra-ordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be consfiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermacht [which was the federal law enforcement and the military.]

German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when "the jackboots" Gestapo came calling were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo was the Federal Marshall service of the Third Reich. The SWAT Team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the "enemies of the German people."

When the Polizei, Bewalken (or local police) refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the SA and the SS. Those were the Nazi versions of the BATF and the FBI. When several Lutheran ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military.

Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout Central Europe were closed to prevent escape of fugitives into the wilderness and to prevent movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools re-wrote history and Hitler Youth Groups taught children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared.

Pagan animism became the State Religion of the Third Reich, and Christians were widely condemned as "right-wing fanatics". Millions of books were burned first, and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it.

Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers".

Yes. Indeed. I remember the Nazis, and they weren't republicans or right-wing or patriots or militias, they were Socialists and they were monsters!"

[Cooper]: And this letter was written by Thomas Colton Ruthford from Arlington, Washington. Did any of that sound familiar to you? It is word-for-word what is happening in the United States of America, as I have told you many, many times before.

What happened in Germany during Hitler's rise to power, is exactly what is happening in the United States of America today!

And if you don't want to believe it, and if you want to sit on your lazy sheep butts until they come and drag you out in the street and shoot you, then you go ahead and do it. There's a lot of us who ain't gonna be there with you. Got that? [End of transcript]

[Melinator]

Yeah. Like in the PRC, the USSR, NAZI Germany, and the New World Order (Amerika), etc.

[tophat9000]

If you subtracted Hitler's anti-Jewish position from the rest of his platform is the same

It's inlighting when you consider the typical anti-Jewish racist stereotype

Racist stereotypes of Jews are unique as racist stereotypes go, aren’t they portrayed as the ultimate rich capitalist man?

Isn’t their rant and propaganda the same you just change the name of the boogman

Rich evil corporate world conspiracy oppressing the common man (class based boogman)
Rich evil Jewish world conspiracy oppressing the common man.(race based boogman)

[Polybius]

Bump for later reading

[Logophile]

Stalin's ideology was that he believed Stalin and his friends should control everything, including the means of production. Hitler's ideology was that he believed Hitler should control everything, including the means of production. .... The ideologies are very similar, except for a small detail which made them quite incompatible despite their similarities.

Excellent observation.

Consider two street gangs fighting over the same neighborhood. They may be enemies, but that does not put them on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

[handk]

Well David Duke, Le Pen, Haider and a bunch of other politicians are very much to the right, yet they gather and incredible ammount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, KKK types etc.. Do I really have to explain more? :)

The point is there are extremes on both sides of the major political spectrum and the Nazi movement was very much associated with the extreme right.

I really don't know why acknowledging that would be such a problem, unless someone would identify with such beliefs. And oppresive regimes were both ruled by the extreme left and right (Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc...)

Your statements above could only be made if you base them on the fallacy that a "political spectrum" contains governmental "oppression" at both ends. Obviously, English comprehension is not your strong suit. Public education?

"A scale measures opposing states." Do you comprehend? Shall I dumb it down for you?

Left, right, it's irrelevant. The point is: a true political scale goes from total oppression on one end to total anarchy on the other end.

You're obviously hung up about "right-wing".

You're brainwashed.

[bluester]

You're brainwashed.

If you say so.

[spunky lady]

Thank you for this post, not only is it very true, but certainly an eye opener. I was never a history buff regarding wars, and I never did realize the basis of the Nazis, being "National Socialism". The Nazi Party was called the "National Socialist Workers Party." I definately see the connection, as far as our American politics go.

Actually Rome got so bad as well, but then you were sold into slavery, you could even become a gladiator and die. (they didnt have gas chambers yet), and your entire family, if you didnt pay your taxes. Which paid for the non-productive, and those programs. So, in essance the slaves became masters over the masters... The non-productive socialists/communists who said things like, "TAX THE RICH" .....became masters over the persons who were productive and owned things because of their production. I actually pity the socialist/communist, upon further look, they are voting for people providing "freedom" and dont even know what the word means. They certainly didnt recognize the fact, they were giving up their freedoms. And certainly with government controlled schools, the real information wont be taught. ie: true economics. Though it is true, the Nazis were more "special", they also had to kill off people of a religion. Actually, Rome did that too.

THE TAXES BECAME SO HIGH, THE PRODUCTIVE COULDNT PAY FOR IT. AND THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, IS HOW AN ENIRE SOCIETY IS ENSLAVED, WHICH IS THE INTENTION.

[Maelstrom]

Well David Duke, Le Pen, Haider and a bunch of other politicians are very much to the right, yet they gather and incredible ammount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, KKK types etc.. Do I really have to explain more? :)

Hell...Al Gore drew an incredible amount of nazi supporters, skinheads, racists, etc. However, I'm keen enough to realize that this doesn't make him one. What it does is identify him as a better match for those folks than G. Bush. Not that many of the people who could be labelled the same way didn't vote for Bush...and that doesn't make Bush one either...funny.

Hell, using your logic, we should be combing through the wreckage caused by the US Air Force of a House in Chippaqua who's resident actually kissed the wife of a known terrorist as a show of support for her husband, and a library in Arkansaw, who is dedicated to a gentleman known to have accepted money from terrorists to advance his political career and even pardoned terrorists for personal gain.

What you've done is create a situation of Guilt by Association and expect it to be taken as gospel.

The point is there are extremes on both sides of the major political spectrum and the Nazi movement was very much associated with the extreme right. I really don't know why acknowledging that would be such a problem, unless someone would identify with such beliefs.

Acknowledging this is trite as it's a fact. However, Nazism, though associated with the extreme right, was a far left movement marginally to the right of Communism. For Goodness sake, they *identified themselves* as socialist. Association aside, try presenting some evidence that this guy has any extremist ideals.

And oppresive regimes were both ruled by the extreme left and right (Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc...)

All Leftists. Let's try again...Now put up some real instances of this guy displaying anything approaching "extreme"...the only thing I've seen that could be identified as "extremist" is some mild support for capitalist reforms to a socialist and failing economic system.

It's very quaint to label people as one form of tyrant or another, but unless there's a reason to do so...well...you might do so because you're a liberal. Liberals don't need any facts or evidence for their claims.

[maestro]

Your # 47.................."Spunky Lady".....................BTTT

[Schweinhund]

where ever there is SOMETHING, men have risen to fight it and die over it.

freedom is mostly self-limitation in the sense of 'i dont want that to happen to me...so i wont do it.'. you decide your mix of freedom and safety. more freedom, less safety, same the other way round.

[Schweinhund]

russia AND the allies were knocking at the door. it was obvious germany had lost. the nero order never got carried out, but it was not because of the commies. hitler just knew he had lost and wanted to break his toy so nobody else could play again.

[dfwgator]

The only difference between Nazis and Communists are who their enemies are.

[Schweinhund]

and dont think i am unhappy that its hard to own and carry a gun in germany...i dont need one to defend myself. when people try to rob someone here (never happened to me), best the will have is a gas gun, a knife or only their fists. so i can decide to either give them my money or try my luck. if i believed it could work i sure would be for unarmed police like britain had for a long time (and still has in some areas).

[Schweinhund]

you do not know what you are talking about. you got some encyclopedia? try reading about both.

[dfwgator]

Consider two street gangs fighting over the same neighborhood. They may be enemies, but that does not put them on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Reminds me of "Life of Brian", with the "Judean People's Front" and the "People's Front of Judea", essentially the same thing but both groups hated each other. The first group the Bolsheviks killed in the Soviet Union were the other Socialists, not the Monarchists (although they eventually got around to them as well)

[maestro]

Your# 51.........LOL....PLEASE READ POST #39 AGAIN,.........LOL.....PLEASE READ POST #39 AGAIN..........LOL.....PLEASE READ POST #39 AGAIN..........LOL

LOL,...........on each AND EVERY front on the "Eastern Front" (Socialism's Meat Gringer)...

'The' Nationalist-Socialist (NAZI), Hitler ALWAYS GAVE "The 'Nero' Order"! (Following Staalin's example of the Soviet-Socialist 'Nero' Orders!)

Socialists 'grinding' Socialists!!

PLEASE READ POST #39

[handk]

Bumped. Because I can!