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[Just Posted] Holy See: Full text of final communique of US cardinals
The Holy See - www.Vatican.va ^ | 4-25-2002 | Vatican

Posted on 04/25/2002 2:19:22 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

1) The sexual abuse of minors is rightly considered a crime by society and is an appalling sin in the eyes of God, above all when it is perpetrated by priests and religious whose vocation is to help persons to lead holy lives before God and men.

2) There is a need to convey to the victims and their families a profound sense of solidarity and to provide appropriate assistance in recovering faith and receiving pastoral care.

3) Even if the cases of true pedophilia on the part of priests and religious are few, all the participants recognized the gravity of the problem. In the meeting, the quantitative terms of the problem were discussed, since the statistics are not very clear in this regard. Attention was drawn to the fact that almost all the cases involved adolescents and therefore were not cases of true pedophilia.

4) Together with the fact that a link between celibacy and pedophilia cannot be scientifically maintained, the meeting reaffirmed the value of priestly celibacy as a gift of God to the Church.

5) Given the doctrinal issues underlying the deplorable behavior in question, certain lines of response have been proposed:

a) the Pastors of the Church need clearly to promote the correct moral teaching of the Church and publicly to reprimand individuals who spread dissent and groups which advance ambiguous approaches to pastoral care;

b) a new and serious Apostolic Visitation of seminaries and other institutes of formation must be made without delay, with particular emphasis on the need for fidelity to the Church’s teaching, especially in the area of morality, and the need for a deeper study of the criteria of suitability of candidates to the priesthood.

c) it would be fitting for the Bishops of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to ask the faithful to join them in observing a national day of prayer and penance, in reparation for the offenses perpetrated and in prayer to God for the conversion of sinners and the reconciliation of victims.

6) All the participants have seen this time as a call to a greater fidelity to the mystery of the Church. Consequently they see the present time as a moment of grace. While recognizing that practical criteria of conduct are indispensable and urgently needed, we cannot underestimate, in the words of the Holy Father, "the power of Christian conversion, that radical decision to turn away from sin and back to God, which reaches the depths of a person’s soul and can work extraordinary change". At the same time, as His Holiness also stated, "People need to know that there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young. They must know that Bishops and priests are totally committed to the fullness of Catholic truth on matters of sexual morality, a truth as essential to the renewal of the priesthood and the episcopate as it is to the renewal of marriage and family life".


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To: Mike Fieschko
I will be very charitable and neutral: this is weak.

From our standpoint, yes. In the opinion of those more knowledgeable of such things than me, this is an uncharacteristically strong statement, apparently, and is expected to elicit some real changes -- although, as I said in a previous post, I am skeptical that the more liberal dioceses (say, Mahoney's for example) will see much change except the most egregious offenders that can't stay below the radar any longer.

61 posted on 04/25/2002 6:31:58 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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62 posted on 04/25/2002 6:32:28 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: MarkWar
The Church can't simply kick out priests if the priests actually seem to repent their awful actions. But the Church needs to find a way to forever keep such priests away from children...

Sure they can; forgiveness doesn't mean excusal from the punishment incurred by one's actions.

63 posted on 04/25/2002 6:37:00 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: ex-snook
It's a very sad occasion when parents warn their children about people touching them in an inappropriate manner, that they now have to say "including priests". Dear God!
64 posted on 04/25/2002 6:41:02 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: Mike Fieschko
I am sorely disappointed that each and every bishop didn't simultaneously state, that he was going to do these things in his own diocese.

I think the idea is to make it binding on *all* bishops when *all* the bishops meet in June. It makes more sense to do it once, across the board, rather than letting each individual bishop pipe up officially and say "I'm in on this, too." That way, there's no possible equivocation on anyone's part if they're all held to the same standards.

65 posted on 04/25/2002 6:41:50 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Mike Fieschko
One would think that making these proposals and desiring that they be approved as a national norm was an approval of them for one's one see.

Time will tell, and the past 30 - 40 years' track records of these American cardinals isn't encouraging.

No, it isn't. That, rather, is the point.

My ordinary is Abp Myers, and Cdl Egan is just across the river. There's a lot to be done in both sees, and both ordinaries will have many allies if they move to clean up problems.

Time will tell, indeed. The message has been clearly delivered and received, even if in Vaticanese. If the local bishops do not shape up, then it is incumbent upon the Vatican to remove them. They have been summoned, informed of what they must do. Refusal now is not an option, for those who wish to remain in the fold.

The Vatican has made the Americans look at what they have wrought. I have no doubt that if they do not repair themselves, that repairs will be made.

SD

66 posted on 04/25/2002 7:22:39 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I have no doubt that if they do not repair themselves, that repairs will be made.

Except in 'geologic' time, I am honestly not being sarcastic when I say 'permit me to be skeptical.'
67 posted on 04/25/2002 7:27:16 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: anniegetyourgun
it would be fitting for the Bishops of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to ask the faithful to join them in observing a national day of prayer and penance, in reparation for the offenses perpetrated and in prayer to God for the conversion of sinners and the reconciliation of victims."

I note that this comes under that which has been "proposed." While I'm not a Catholic, it is unclear to me why this isn't a command, and why it isn't first before all things. It seems to me that the should be both public and private confession and repentance happening all over the place.

It has. For instance, my bishop, of Greensburg, PA, made the call for such a day of repentence for the Thursday before Easter. I am sure he is not the only bishop to make such a call. What is being proposed here is a unified national day of repentence.

Please try to understand the mechanism at work here. If you will, this is like a committee recommending that the entire Congress do something. The committee can be behind it 100%, but until Congress meets and approves it, it is still not law.

SD

68 posted on 04/25/2002 7:27:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Mike Fieschko
Except in 'geologic' time, I am honestly not being sarcastic when I say 'permit me to be skeptical.'

Go ahead and be skeptical. But be prayerful as well. What I speak of is not impossible.

SD

69 posted on 04/25/2002 7:29:12 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
If the RC church in America took visible and public steps to call for such a nationwide time of repentance, I suspect that some protestant groups and denominations would come alongside.
70 posted on 04/25/2002 7:30:50 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Torie
a) the Pastors of the Church need clearly to promote the correct moral teaching of the Church and publicly to reprimand individuals who spread dissent and groups which advance ambiguous approaches to pastoral care;

What the heck are they getting at here?

This piece strikes me as a committee written exercise in opaque burearcratese. Sorry to be so negative.

It is not surprising that you do not understand the message being delivered. Few outside the Church, heck, few inside the Church understand the actual problem and the required solution. The fact that you do not understand the message does not mean that there is not a message. Trust that those who needed to hear the messae have heard it.

SD

71 posted on 04/25/2002 7:32:54 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Go ahead and be skeptical. But be prayerful as well. What I speak of is not impossible.

Thanks. I do pray for the Church.

And, you're right that it's not impossible, because it's happened a couple of times in the last millennium, most recently at Trent.

Funny-odd, that while Trent is frequently cited as a doctrinal council, equally important to the life of the 'average' Catholic were its 'pastoral' decrees.

But after Trent, it took a generation or more for its decrees to be productive.
72 posted on 04/25/2002 7:35:21 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Hasn't this been standing "official" policy of the Roman Catholic Church for years? Will simply iterating it have any greater effect upon purging the scandals?

It has been the policy of the Roman Catholic Church forever. What it has not been is the policy of the American Catholic Church. They have now been called on the carpet.

SD

73 posted on 04/25/2002 7:35:22 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: anniegetyourgun
If the RC church in America took visible and public steps to call for such a nationwide time of repentance, I suspect that some protestant groups and denominations would come alongside.

I would hope so. But experience tells me that Protestanst often mock Catholics when we engage in days of fasting and abstinence. Ridicule us that we think avoiding meat or fasting is our ticket to salvation. I do hope this would be different.

SD

74 posted on 04/25/2002 7:39:03 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I've not seen that. Especially since many protestants participate in fasting and prayer and know it is for sanctification.
75 posted on 04/25/2002 7:42:41 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SoothingDave
2) We will propose that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops recommend a special process for the dismissal from the clerical state of a priest who has become notorious and is guilty of the serial, predatory, sexual abuse of minors.

3) While recognizing that the Code of Canon law already contains a judicial process for the dismissal of priests guilty of sexually abusing minors, we will also propose a special process for cases which are not notorious but where the Diocesan Bishop considers the priest a threat for the protection of children and young people, in order to avoid grave scandal in the future and to safeguard the common good of the Church.

Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple. What exactly are the Bishops waiting for?

Number two and number three leave me somewhat incredulous. In English, they read, yeah we'll do something with the serial child rapists but the part timers will be sent to the old priests home.

They don't go to the old Priests home, they go to jail.

76 posted on 04/25/2002 7:45:10 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
St. Francis De Sales, on the Scandals of the Clergy

"Those who commit scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder by destroying other people's faith in God by their terrible example. But I'm here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal--who allow scandals to destroy their faith--are guilty of spiritual suicide!"



77 posted on 04/25/2002 8:42:49 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
You are of the opinion that perverted priests have destroyed my faith in God?

Do you disagree with my assessment that child molesting priests must go to jail and not retirement homes?

78 posted on 04/25/2002 9:03:08 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Notwithstanding
The correct title to this article could've been:

JPII KICKS BUTT

79 posted on 04/25/2002 9:30:27 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The Vatican is saying "hey, liberal press who have been hounding us unmercifully, guess what, the bulk of the problem is the homosexuality you've been so fond of."

You are correct, sir. Whenever this subject would rear it's ugly head in the past, you would NEVER, EVER read about it in the liberal press. You'd only read about it in the Wanderer or Lay Witness or another traditional Catholic paper. I always wondered when the liberal press would go hog wild with it. They would NEVER, EVER admit that they knew about it beforehand. To them this all is a shocking surprise. Now, if they can blame the bishops for not acting sooner, shouldn't we also 'indict' the liberal media for being complicit in their 'cover-up'?

80 posted on 04/25/2002 9:41:48 PM PDT by Slyfox
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