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To: southernnorthcarolina
Two things: Cows get Fattened up on Grain. Next: You can live on a severely restricted carbohydrate diet for years - as many epileptic children have done. You cannot live on a severely restricted fat or protein diet for years.

You are pretty darn certain of your facts and speak with great authority. Unfortunately, your "fat makes fat" statement may sound cute and logical on the surface, but it demonstrates sheer ignorance on your part even if you did try to hide the ignorance under an all-knowing and paternalistic presentation. Monounsaturated fats trigger the body's fat burning mechnisms. Carbohydrates trigger fat storage through insulin release. These are biological facts. Denial on your part proves that your mind is made up and you are finished with learning. You obviously can't be bothered with something that requires a little knowledge or thought. Your simple and cute way of looking at things are sufficient for you, fine. By why spout it off and actually harm others' attempts to learn?

320 posted on 04/25/2002 7:49:16 PM PDT by bluefish
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To: bluefish
I hardly know where to begin, after that diatribe. As I indicated in another post, passions seem to run hot on this issue. Let me respond to a few of your points, and that will be all for the night, not because I'm attempting to cut off debate, but because it's well after midnight here in NC, and I need my beauty rest, probably more than most!

Cows get Fattened up on Grain.

Cows ain't people. Grain, for them, is a big caloric step up from grass. I'm sure that if farmers could come up with a higher fat diet that the cows would eat, and that was cost efficient, they would.

You cannot live on a severely restricted fat or protein diet for years.

I don't recall having advocated a "severely restricted" fat or protein diet, but what constitutes severity for one person may be considered moderate for another. Adequate protein is, of course, essential. Adequate fat is too, for that matter, though I suspect we'd disagree over what constitutes "adequate." I am of the opinion that most Americans eat far too much fat, and I include myself, for I am a long way from perfect. Now, if we're talking about weight loss diets as opposed to diets to live on for years, then darn right I'd advocate "severely restricted" fat; if your weight is where you want it, then of course you could loosen up -- that's just common sense. Even those of "ideal" weight, however, should limit saturated fat, in the interest of cardiovascular health.

Unfortunately, your "fat makes fat" statement may sound cute and logical on the surface, but it demonstrates sheer ignorance on your part even if you did try to hide the ignorance under an all-knowing and paternalistic presentation.

Well now, that's rather harsh. If it would make you feel better, I could insert "IMHO" every few sentences, but I thought it was implicit that this forum was one of opinions. If I gave you the impression that I am "all-knowing," then I apologize. It wasn't me who characterized the views of others on this subject as "sheer ignorance."

Monounsaturated fats trigger the body's fat burning mechnisms.

While I'm wary of "fat burning" claims ascribed to monounsaturated fats or to any food, I agree that monounsaturated fats, consumed sparingly, are benificial. There is, for example, substantial evidence that olive oil actually reduces so-called "bad" cholesterol. Some fat is needed, even in a weight-loss program, and olive oil is the way to go. Oh, IMHO.

Carbohydrates trigger fat storage through insulin release.

I'd agree with that statement if you said that simple carbohydrates, especially concentrated ones such as sugar, trigger fat storage through insulin release. But there's a world of difference between a Coca-Cola, whose sugar enters the bloodstream almost instantly, and a piece of whole wheat bread, which is digested much more slowly.

You obviously can't be bothered with something that requires a little knowledge or thought. Your simple and cute way of looking at things are sufficient for you, fine. By why spout it off and actually harm others' attempts to learn?

Again, I find that unnecessarily harsh. If I exhibited an unwillingness to entertain other opinions, or attempted in any way to "harm others' attempts to learn," I wish you'd point out where I did so.

330 posted on 04/25/2002 10:00:16 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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