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Saudi to Warn Bush of Rupture Over Israel Policy
The New York Times ^ | 04/25/2002 | PATRICK E. TYLER

Posted on 04/24/2002 6:46:46 PM PDT by Pokey78

HOUSTON, April 24 — Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is expected to tell President Bush in stark terms at their meeting on Thursday that the strategic relationship between their two countries will be threatened if Mr. Bush does not moderate his support for Israel's military policies, a person familiar with the Saudi's thinking said today.

In a bleak assessment, he said there was talk within the Saudi royal family and in Arab capitals of using the "oil weapon" against the United States, and demanding that the United States leave strategic military bases in the region.

Such measures, he said, would be a "strategic debacle for the United States."

He also warned of a general drift by Arab leaders toward the radical politics that have been building in the Arab street.

The Saudi message contained undeniable brinkmanship intended to put pressure on Mr. Bush to take a much larger political gamble by imposing a peace settlement on Israelis and Palestinians.

But the Saudi delegation also brought a strong sense of the alarm and crisis that have been heard in Arab capitals.

"It is a mistake to think that our people will not do what is necessary to survive," the person close to the crown prince said, "and if that means we move to the right of bin Laden, so be it; to the left of Qaddafi, so be it; or fly to Baghdad and embrace Saddam like a brother, so be it. It's damned lonely in our part of the world, and we can no longer defend our relationship to our people."

Whatever the possibility of bluster, it is also clear that Abdullah represents not just Saudi Arabia but also the broader voice of the Arab world, symbolized by the peace plan he submitted and that was endorsed at an Arab summit meeting in March.

Those familiar with the prince's "talking points" said he would deliver a blunt message that Mr. Bush is perceived to have endorsed — despite his protests to the contrary — Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's military incursion into the West Bank.

Abdullah believes Mr. Bush has lost credibility by failing to follow through on his demand two weeks ago that Mr. Sharon withdraw Israeli troops from the West Bank and end the sieges of Yasir Arafat's compound in Ramallah and of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

If those events occur and Mr. Bush makes a commitment "to go for peace" by convening an international conference, as his father did after the Persian Gulf war, to press for a final settlement and a Palestinian state, the Saudi view would change dramatically.

But those close to the Saudi delegation said there was no expectation that Mr. Bush is prepared to apply the pressure necessary to force such an outcome.

"The perception in the Middle East, from the far left to the far right, is that America is totally sponsoring Sharon — not Israel's policies but Sharon's policies — and anyone who tells you less is insulting your intelligence," the person familiar with Abdullah's thinking said.

Western analysts see the prince as a blunt Bedouin leader whose initiative is regarded by many Arabs as a gesture worthy of the late Egyptian leader Anwar el-Sadat, who flew to Jerusalem in 1973 to sue for peace with Menachem Begin. Abdullah's offer, now the Arab world's offer, calls for recognition of Israel and "normal relations" in return for a Palestinian state on lands Israel occupied in 1967.

The Saudi assessment was apparently being conveyed through several private channels.

On Tuesday President Bush's father had lunch with the Saudi foreign minister, Saud al-Faisal, and the kingdom's longtime ambassador to Washington, Prince Bandar bin Sultan. Their specific message could not be learned, but in the familial setting, where Barbara Bush was also the hostess for Princess Haifa, Prince Bandar's wife, the strong strategic and personal ties of the Persian Gulf war that characterized Saudi-American relations a decade ago was a message in itself.

Abdullah, in a luncheon today with Vice President Dick Cheney, was to convey the seriousness with which he regards Thursday's meeting with President Bush as a "last chance" for constructive relations with the Arab world.

Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, also flew to Houston to join in last-minute discussions before the summit meeting. A senior official in Washington said Mr. Rumsfeld and General Myers were dispatched to brief the prince personally on the American accomplishments in Afghanistan and in the broader war on terrorism.

"The idea was, if he thought we were strong in Desert Storm, we're 10 times as strong today," one official said. "This was to give him some idea what Afghanistan demonstrated about our capabilities."

United States military commanders in the Persian Gulf region have been building up command centers and equipment depots in Qatar and Kuwait in recent months in anticipation of a possible breach with Riyadh.

Saudi officials assert that American presidents since Richard M. Nixon have been willing to speak more forcefully to Israeli leaders than the current president when American interests were at stake.

"If Bush freed Arafat and cleared Bethlehem, it would be a big victory, show a stiffening of spine," the person close to Abdullah said. "But incremental steps are no longer valid in these circumstances," meaning that Mr. Bush would have to follow up with a major push to fulfill the longstanding expectation of the Palestinians for statehood.

The mood in the Saudi camp was that of gloom and anxiety in private even as Saudi and American officials went ahead with preparations for a warm public encounter with the Bush family.

On Friday, after his meeting with President Bush at his home in Crawford, Abdullah is to take a long train ride to College Station, the central Texas town where the former President Bush will be host at his presidential library. On Saturday, Saudi's Arabia's state oil company is gathering the luminaries of the international energy industry to dine with Abdullah and his party.

But the person close to the prince said that if the summit talks went badly, Abdullah might not complete his stay in Texas. Instead, he might return directly to Riyadh and call for a summit meeting of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, to report to its 44 leaders, who represent 1.2 billion Muslims.

"He wants to say, `I looked the president of the U.S. in the eye and have to report that I failed,' " this person said. His message to the Arabs will be, "Take the responsibility in your own hands, my conscience is clear, before history, God, religion, country and friends."

The person close to Abdullah pointed out that Saudi Arabia's recent assurances that it would use its surplus oil-producing capacity to blunt the effects of Saddam Hussein's 30-day suspension of Iraqi oil exports could quickly change.

That Saudi pledge "was based on a certain set of assumptions, but if you change the assumptions, all bets are off," he said. "We would no longer say what Saddam said was an empty threat, because there come desperate times when you give the unthinkable a chance."

Abdullah is reported to be bitter over the White House's assertion that the president is taking a balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and he wants to evaluate in person whether Mr. Bush understands how his actions are being perceived in the Arab world.

"This is not a mistake or a policy gaffe," the person close to Abdullah said, referring to Mr. Bush's approach. "He made a strategic, conscious decision to go with Sharon, so your national interest is no longer our national interest; now we don't have joint national interests. What it means is that you go your way and we will go ours, economically, militarily and politically — and the antiterror coalition would collapse in the process."


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1 posted on 04/24/2002 6:46:46 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Hopefully Bush realizes that the Saudis knuckled under to Iran a few years ago and are in the back pocket of the terror coalition. They made their choice then and are just now bringing it into public view.
2 posted on 04/24/2002 6:51:43 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Pokey78
Well, Princie Poo, we will just let Saddamm have at your sorry despotic ass and when the dust clears, we will come in, clean house on both you clowns, take over your friggin oil fields and enjoy the action. What say, towel head?

s/ DubYah

3 posted on 04/24/2002 6:54:02 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: Pokey78
Bush ought to tell this slug that it would be a shame if something happened to his oil wells like SEIZURE

But he won't
4 posted on 04/24/2002 6:54:13 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Pokey78
...and President Bush should look the Prince right back in the eye and say, "Abdullah, we saved your oil fields 10 years ago. We've spent untold billions of dollars to invigorate your bank accounts. Now it is time for you to step up to the plate. Don't come and threaten me. With one Executive Order, this nation could become energy independent without your permission.

You need us, that much is clear, to survive the beast called Saddam. We need you to be a team player. If you want to be off the team, that is your choice. But I'm not Bill Clinton--I won't beg and cajole and pretend we're friends. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. Make your choice.

Now, would you like to go for a ride in my truck?"

5 posted on 04/24/2002 6:55:03 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Pokey78
Saudi to Warn Bush of Rupture Over Israel Policy

Bush to Warn Saudi of becoming 51st state
6 posted on 04/24/2002 6:57:29 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Pokey78
Saudi whines to the NYT.
7 posted on 04/24/2002 6:57:42 PM PDT by larryjohnson
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To: Pokey78
— Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is expected to tell President Bush in stark terms at their meeting on Thursday that the strategic relationship between their two countries will be threatened if Mr. Bush does not moderate his support for Israel's military policies, a person familiar with the Saudi's thinking said today.

You know, as far as I am concerned this doesn't even qualify as news. He is "expected" to tell Bush this? By WHOM? Note that there is the usual unnamed source.

I think I will start making up my own news, just like the Times.

Ediitors were expected to tell Patrick Tyler that his services as a reporter were sadly lalcking and no longer required, a person familiar with the New York Times's management said today.

8 posted on 04/24/2002 6:58:53 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Pokey78
What the crown prince fails to see is that this isn't about mid-east policy. It's about killing terrorists who killed 3000+ of our citizens a few short months ago.

This is about a real live, honest to God war on terrorism. Yasir Afafat and Sharonare not the issue.

9 posted on 04/24/2002 7:02:26 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Miss Marple
I hope so, but they are emboldened by the failure to get ANWR drilling passed in the Senate.
10 posted on 04/24/2002 7:02:48 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Pokey78
Dubya to the Prince:

Ooooooh, I'm shaking...


11 posted on 04/24/2002 7:03:01 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Pokey78
"In a bleak assessment, he said there was talk within the Saudi royal family and in Arab capitals of using the 'oil weapon' against the United States, and demanding that the United States leave strategic military bases in the region."

Sigh. If only this were true...

12 posted on 04/24/2002 7:03:45 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Pokey78
I didn't realize that the NY Times liked the Saudis so much. They never expressed that attitude before, that I can remember. In fact, their usual contemptuous attitude has been that Bush, a "Texas oilman," is too close to the Saudis. So what gives? Are their noses out of joint because he isn't taking their foreign policy advice?
13 posted on 04/24/2002 7:05:26 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Pokey78
there was talk within the Saudi royal family and in Arab capitals of using the "oil weapon" against the United States

Repeat after me. There is no oil weapon.

Except for the Gulf States, every OPEC member is bankrupt, including Saudi Arabia. They need to sell the oil more than we need to buy it. The most they can do is schedule maintenance forward, to simulate a cut in production, or symbolically refuse to sell directly to the US, while selling to brokers and third countries who re-sell to the US.

Keep in mind, of course, that the US only gets a small percentage of its oil from the Saudis. And keep in mind that every oil producer in the world, OPEC and non-OPEC alike, is trying mightily to increase production by any means possible (except the US). Keep in mind that the largest undeveloped oil deposits in the world are in non-OPEC countries, so that every barrel of oil not pumped by the Saudis is a barrel of market share lost to the Russians, or the Mexicans, or the Kazakhs...

14 posted on 04/24/2002 7:07:05 PM PDT by marron
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To: Recovering_Democrat
LOL!
15 posted on 04/24/2002 7:07:40 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: rintense
LOL!
16 posted on 04/24/2002 7:08:07 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: hchutch
Ha! Let them slap an oil embargo on us, and you will see ANWR drilling pass 100-0 (well, maybe 98-2). Can you imagine? The dems can only pull this stuff as long as the Saudis DON'T embargo.

Besides, they already said they wouldn't do it.

I personally think this is the NYT's effort to derail talks. Or it is disinformation from the Saudi's to cover the real reason for the meeting. I don't think they had to go all the way to Crawford to tell us that we might have a rupture in relations. I don't think Rumsfeld's presence or Cheney's would have been necessary, either.

All is not what it seems. Rather than getting angry at the Saudis prematurely, one could ask what the Times is up to with this story, and who planted it. That is more interesting and mught be the key to the puzzle.

17 posted on 04/24/2002 7:09:06 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Pokey78;Dark Wing
Can you think of a bigger threat to our strategic relationship with the Saud clan? Or a bigger debacle for the Saud clan?
18 posted on 04/24/2002 7:09:30 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Pokey78
Saudi to Warn Bush of Rupture Over Israel Policy

bush to warn saudi prince that he wouldnt like not being prince
19 posted on 04/24/2002 7:09:58 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Pokey78
In a bleak assessment, he said there was talk within the Saudi royal family and in Arab capitals of using the "oil weapon" against the United States, and demanding that the United States leave strategic military bases in the region

Boy, that sure makes a great argument for drilling our own oil. I hope Bush gets right on that! Looks like the way things are going, we're going to need it!

20 posted on 04/24/2002 7:10:13 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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