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Los Alamos researcher says 'black holes' aren't holes at all
Los Alamos Press Release ^ | April 21, 2002 | James Rickman

Posted on 04/24/2002 11:19:03 AM PDT by Gladwin

LOS ALAMOS, N.M., April 21, 2002 -- Researchers from the U.S. Department of Energy's Los Alamos National Laboratory and the University of South Carolina have provided a hypothesis that "black holes" in space are not holes at all, but instead are more akin to bubbles.

Researcher Emil Mottola of Los Alamos' Theoretical Division today presented a new explanation for black holes at the American Physical Society annual meeting in Albuquerque, N.M. Pawel Mazur of the University of South Carolina is Mottola's co-author. The researchers' explanation redefines black holes not as "holes" in space where matter and light inexplicably disappear into another dimension, but rather as spherical voids surrounded by an extremely durable form of matter never before experienced on Earth. Mazur and Mottola call the extraordinary objects Gravastars.

The Gravastar explanation for black holes helps provide answers to some of the daunting questions raised by traditional black-hole descriptions. Based on earlier-held astrophysical explanations, black holes form in space when stars reach the end of their lives and collapse in on themselves. According to black hole theory, the matter from these dying stars occupies a tiny amount of space — a mere pinpoint — and creates a mind-boggling gravitational field so powerful that nothing can escape, not even light.

Mottola and Pawel suggest that while some degree of collapsing does take place in a dying star, the collapse proceeds only to a certain point. At that point, the intense gravity of the dying star transforms the star's matter into an entirely new phase. Mottolla describes this phase as similar to a Bose-Einstein condensate, a phase of matter recently observed in a laboratory setting and the subject of scientific excitement in the past few years.

On Earth, a Bose-Einstein condensate forms when matter is plunged to very low temperatures approaching Absolute Zero, the theoretical temperature at which all atomic motion — the motion of electrons, protons and all other subatomic particles within an individual atom — is believed to cease. When matter is cooled sufficiently to become a Bose-Einstein condensate, the atoms that make up the matter enter a strange new phase. The atoms all reach the same energy state, or quantum state, and they coalesce into a blob of material called a "super atom." The properties of Bose-Einstein condensates are the subject of intense study and many physicists are working to understand them.

Mottola and Mazur believe that dying stars collapse to the "Event Horizon" — in essence the point of no return for objects entering the gravitational field of a black hole. At this point, the matter in the dying star transforms to a new state of matter that forms a Gravastar. According to the two researchers, the dying star's matter creates an ultra-thin, ultra-cold, ultra-dark shell of material that is virtually indestructible. The new form of gravitational energy in the interior is akin to a Bose-Einstien condensate, although it appears on the inside to be a bubble of vacuum, hence the term Gra (vitational) Va (cuum) Star, or Gravastar.

"Since this new form of matter is very durable, but somewhat flexible, like a bubble, anything that became trapped by its intense gravity and smashed into it would be obliterated and then assimilated into the shell of the Gravastar," Mottola said. "However, any matter in the vicinity that fell onto the surface could be re-emitted as another form of energy, which would make Gravastars potentially much more powerful emitters of radiation than black holes, which simply swallow the material."

The space trapped inside the Gravastar's shell is a similarly uncanny conceptually. The interior of the Gravastar would be totally warped space-time (the traditional three dimensions plus time). According to the researchers, this interior space would exert an outward force on the shell, adding to its durability.

Although unconventional, Mottola and Mazur's Gravastar explanation for black holes does solve at least one serious quandary created by black hole theory. Under a black-hole scenario, the amount of entropy created in a black hole would become nearly infinite. Physicists have struggled for years to account for the huge entropy of black holes, and largely have failed. Unlike their black hole counterparts, Gravastars would have a very low entropy.

Mottola and Mazur continue to refine their theory and are working on a concept behind rotating Gravastars. They even suggest that the universe we now know and live in may be the interior of a Gravastar.

"These are fascinating concepts to think about," Mottola said. "I look forward to exploring this hypothesis further."

Los Alamos National Laboratory is operated by the University of California for the U.S. Department of Energy


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Gravastars?
1 posted on 04/24/2002 11:19:03 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: space, khepera, RadioAstronomer, Physicist
First it was quark stars, now this?!? Is nothing sacred?
2 posted on 04/24/2002 11:22:17 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
I always love these astrophysics posts. One thing though: I think the author is revealing his own weakness when saying "You know, black holes aren't really holes!" I didn't think they were, not literally at least. It's like someone saying Rocky Mountain Oysters aren't really oysters. No s***.
3 posted on 04/24/2002 11:29:07 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Gladwin
The more we know, the more we know we don't know...
4 posted on 04/24/2002 11:31:51 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Gladwin
Related thread
5 posted on 04/24/2002 11:34:54 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Gladwin
Is nothing sacred?

Not when it comes to our models.

The difference between quark stars and gravastars is that the quark star possibility has always been lurking in the background, pending some hard evidence. Gravastars are a new idea, so it's hard to know what to make of them. Most new ideas turn out to be wrong.

6 posted on 04/24/2002 11:35:30 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Do you have a link to the quark star thread? I can't seem to find it, and I wanted to post it here for everyone else.
7 posted on 04/24/2002 11:38:17 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
black holes not as "holes" in space where matter and light inexplicably disappear into another dimension, He must have gotten his education from The Twilight Zone.

but rather as spherical voids surrounded by an extremely durable form of matter never before experienced on Earth. Never before experienced on Earth?

What a m----.

8 posted on 04/24/2002 11:41:40 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Bet this guy is an evolutionist! :)
9 posted on 04/24/2002 11:45:44 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: TopQuark
"There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
10 posted on 04/24/2002 11:46:18 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Gladwin
Gwavastaas is the proper pronunciation.
11 posted on 04/24/2002 11:47:12 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: TopQuark
Never before experienced on Earth?

For those who have wondered just what the firmament might be, it could be the shell of the gravastar that contains our universe.

12 posted on 04/24/2002 11:47:57 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Gladwin
Gravastars?
DEMs said "Gravitas"!

The researchers' explanation redefines black holes not as "holes" in space where matter and light inexplicably disappear into another dimension, but rather as spherical voids surrounded by an extremely durable form of matter never before experienced on Earth. Mazur and Mottola call the extraordinary objects Gravastars
What a joke!!! They didn't know what kind of matter but they seem to know!!! Making any sense???
13 posted on 04/24/2002 11:48:16 AM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Toidylop
I always thought black holes would resemble donuts, or maybe burgers. MMMMM. Burger.
14 posted on 04/24/2002 11:52:21 AM PDT by tm61
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To: RightWhale
Below that it is turtles, all the way down.
15 posted on 04/24/2002 11:55:07 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
"...They even suggest that the universe we now know and live in may be the interior of a Gravastar".

I love reading articles like this.It makes me think how many 'other'things they're thinking,that we wouldn't necessarily hear about .

16 posted on 04/24/2002 12:05:26 PM PDT by Pagey
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To: Pagey
how many 'other'things they're thinking,that we wouldn't necessarily hear about .

LOL

Stay tuned to FR, you'll hear about everythng sooner or later.

17 posted on 04/24/2002 12:10:09 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Gladwin
Mottola and Mazur believe that dying stars collapse to the "Event Horizon" — in essence the point of no return for objects entering the gravitational field of a black hole. At this point, the matter in the dying star transforms to a new state of matter that forms a Gravastar. According to the two researchers, the dying star's matter creates an ultra-thin, ultra-cold, ultra-dark shell of material that is virtually indestructible. The new form of gravitational energy in the interior is akin to a Bose-Einstien condensate, although it appears on the inside to be a bubble of vacuum, hence the term Gra (vitational) Va (cuum) Star, or Gravastar.

"Since this new form of matter is very durable, but somewhat flexible, like a bubble, anything that became trapped by its intense gravity and smashed into it would be obliterated and then assimilated into the shell of the Gravastar," Mottola said. "However, any matter in the vicinity that fell onto the surface could be re-emitted as another form of energy, which would make Gravastars potentially much more powerful emitters of radiation than black holes, which simply swallow the material."

Sounds worse than the Borg. I say nuke 'em.

18 posted on 04/24/2002 12:19:03 PM PDT by Risky Schemer
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To: Gladwin
Gravastars?

I think AMC came out with one in the late '60s.

19 posted on 04/24/2002 12:20:22 PM PDT by Risky Schemer
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To: Gladwin
turtles

Makes sense. Finally.

20 posted on 04/24/2002 12:20:48 PM PDT by RightWhale
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