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Erasing Our Borders
The New American ^ | May 6, 2002 | William F. Jasper

Posted on 04/24/2002 4:57:43 AM PDT by B4Ranch

Globalists are maneuvering America into a merger with the rest of the Western Hemisphere via "free trade" agreements. Their goal, as with the EU, is regional government.

America is being hijacked, but the hijackers don't go by names like Mohamed,t Omar, and Osama. The hijackers to whom we refer bear prominent names, such as Bush, Clinton, Kissinger, McLarty, Greenspan, Rubin, and Rockefeller. They don't use box cutters and bombs or commandeer airliners to create towering infernos; their weapons of choice are instruments such as the WTO, NAFTA, the IMF, and the FTAA. They hijack entire nations, stealing sovereignty and destroying constitutions -- usually under the banners of "free trade," "debt relief," and "globalization" -- proclaiming all the while that their lawless actions will advance global prosperity, democratization, and "the rule of law."

A colossal hijacking operation is in full swing even now. Its primary target is the United States of America, but it is aimed at all the other nations of North and South America as well. It is the FTAA, the so-called Free Trade Area of the Americas, which proposes nothing less than the economic and political merger of the 34 nations of the Western Hemisphere.

EU Blueprint

Following the same plan of attack that was used to hijack the nations of Europe into the sovereignty-destroying European Union (EU), the internationalist architects of the FTAA intend to transform the nation-states of the Western Hemisphere -- including the United States -- into mere administrative units of the supranational FTAA. (The article beginning on page 23 examines the European model for this attack, where the hijacking is so far advanced that the EU is now widely recognized as a developing regional government sapping the sovereignty of France, Germany, Great Britain, and the other member states. As it is in Europe, so it will be in the Americas -- if the architects of world order are successful.)

The FTAA represents a vast "broadening and deepening" of NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, which set the hijack operation in motion by tying Canada, the United States, and Mexico together in a system of ever-expanding and tightening political, economic, social, and military entanglements. Following the EU model, the trinational NAFTA is adding new members (what the internationalists call "broadening") and claiming jurisdiction over an ever-increasing swath of functions ("deepening") that have previously been solely the purview of national governments and their state and local governments.

The NAFTA/FTAA plan calls for an entire hemispheric regime of regulations to "harmonize" business, industry, labor, agriculture, transportation, immigration, education, taxation, environment, health, trade, defense, criminal justice, and other matters of policy and law "from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego." NAFTA is not, and never was, about "free trade." Free trade -- real free trade -- is a voluntary exchange between two parties, unhampered by government intervention and subsidies.

But NAFTA, like the European Union, seeks to regulate and control virtually every industrial, agricultural, commercial, social, environmental, and labor matter. Rather than creating or permitting economic freedom by eliminating government intervention, NAFTA seeks to homogenize the multitude of socialist programs that now hamstring the U.S., Mexican, and Canadian economies -- and add a new host of controls besides. Also, in keeping with the EU pattern, the NAFTA/FTAA globalists have already launched their campaign for a single hemispheric currency as a counterpart to the euro, which replaced the currencies of the EU member states in January of this year. For now, the dollar is being touted as the hemispheric legal tender, but plans have already been floated to replace the dollar with a new currency called the "amero."

Strikingly obvious is that the NAFTA/ FTAA "broadening and deepening" and "harmonization and integration" represent a radical, revolutionary assault on national sovereignty and constitutional government. Piece by piece, governmental functions are being ripped from protective firewalls so carefully constructed by our own country's Founding Fathers. These powers are being transferred to unaccountable, unelected international bureaucracies that are not bound by the checks and balances that have prevented the accumulation of absolute, tyrannical power in our constitutional system of government.

The people of the EU have only recently begun realizing that the process started five decades ago under the banner of "free trade" was really a stealth attack aimed at nothing less than destroying their national sovereignties and imposing a tyrannical oligarchy ruling over them from Brussels. The EU has become a supranational regional bloc in the new world order, and its ruling elite now pushes to further concentrate and centralize power at the global level -- under an all-powerful United Nations. That same EU process is now being imposed on the Western Hemisphere, but on an accelerated schedule. What took decades to accomplish in Europe, the FTAA schemers intend to achieve in the next few years. They have, in fact, set the fast-approaching 2005 as the target year for locking the FTAA into place.

"We're working to build a Free Trade Area of the Americas, and we're determined to complete those negotiations by January of 2005," President George W. Bush declared in his January 16, 2002 speech to the Organization for American States (OAS) and the World Affairs Council in Washington, D.C. "We plan to complete a free trade agreement with Chile early this year. And once we conclude the agreement, I urge Congress to take it up quickly. And I ask the Senate to schedule a vote, as soon as it returns, on renewing and expanding the Andean Trade Preference Act. Today, I announce that the United States will explore a free trade agreement with the countries of Central America.... Our purpose is to strengthen the economic ties we already have with these nations … and to take another step toward completing the Free Trade Area of the Americas."

The 2005 timetable did not originate with President Bush; he was merely renewing a pledge that his predecessor, Bill Clinton, had also made when endorsing the FTAA agenda in 1994. In December of that year, President Clinton hosted the Summit of the Americas in Miami, which served as the FTAA launch pad. He endorsed both the "Declaration of Principles" and the "Plan of Action" promulgated at the conference.

The Declaration's preamble declares, "We are determined to consolidate and advance closer bonds of cooperation.... We reiterate our firm adherence to the principles of international law and the purposes and principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter and in the Charter of the Organization of American States (OAS)...." Moreover, the Declaration pledges "to begin immediately to construct the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA)," to be concluded no later than 2005. The signatories also swore to "advance and implement the commitments made at the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development" (the enviro-Marxist Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro) by creating "cooperative partnerships to strengthen our capacity to prevent and control pollution" and promote "sustainable development" (globalese for UN control over economic, industrial, and population matters).

The FTAA Plan of Action states that governments will "cooperate fully with all United Nations and inter-American human rights bodies," "undertake all measures necessary to guarantee the rights of children, and, where they have not already done so, give serious consideration to ratifying the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child." The governments will also seek to strengthen "the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights," both of which can be expected to interfere with increasing frequency in U.S. civil and criminal cases.

That barely scratches the surface of the kinds of transnational meddling in U.S. affairs that the FTAA will bring. At that 1994 summit, the presidents of El Salvador and Guatemala condemned California's Proposition 187. This measure to deny various welfare benefits to illegal aliens was passed by an overwhelming majority of California voters. Proposition 187, said the presidents, grossly violated "children's rights." In similar fashion, the Mexican consul demanded that the U.S. "consult" with its hemispheric neighbors before passing certain laws. However, news coverage of these and other manifestations of the new world disorder bearing down on us received short shrift. As with coverage of NAFTA, the internationalist media giants focused public attention on the glorious economic benefits that allegedly would accrue with the new wave of hemispheric trade that the FTAA would bring.

A few candid admissions did surface. Mack McLarty, President Clinton's chief of staff, offered this comment: "[T]his summit is much broader than [lowering tariffs], and that's how it should be looked at. This is not a trade summit, it is an overall summit. It will focus on economic integration and convergence." The terms integration and convergence pass over the heads of average Americans. But they are pregnant with meaning for committed globalists, of which Mr. McLarty is a hearty specimen. Subsequently moving on to a heady (and highly profitable) partnership with Henry Kissinger, McLarty now prominently advocates hemispheric integration and convergence in the business and financial communities.

Henry Kissinger, a member of the executive committee of the Trilateral Commission and a longtime power in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), called the NAFTA vote the single most important decision that Congress would make during Mr. Clinton's first term. Indeed, Kissinger admitted in the Los Angeles Times in 1993 that passing NAFTA "will represent the most creative step toward a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the Cold War...." NAFTA "is not a conventional trade agreement," he said, "but the architecture of a new international system."

Self-appointed Wisemen

Over the past decade, many of Kissinger's Trilateralist and CFR brethren have expounded on how important this "new international system" is in constructing their subversive "new world order." Some of them openly admit that NAFTA and the FTAA can, and will, follow the sovereignty-destroying path blazed by the EU. Many of the most important revelations in this regard can be found in the pages of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs. In the Fall 1991 issue, for example, CFR member M. Delal Baer penned an article entitled "North American Free Trade," hinting at the hemispheric leviathan emerging from the murky depths.

"The creation of trinational dispute-resolution mechanisms and rule-making bodies on border and environmental issues may also be embryonic forms of more comprehensive structures," said Baer. "After all, international organizations and agreements like GATT and NAFTA by definition minimize assertions of sovereignty in favor of a joint rule-making authority." (Emphasis added.) Dr. Baer went on to draw a direct analogy to the EU, suggesting:

It may be useful to revisit the spirit of the Monnet Commission, which provided a blueprint for Europe at a moment of extraordinary opportunity. The three nations of North America, in more modest fashion, have also arrived at a defining moment. They may want to create a wiseman's North American commission to operate in the post-ratification period.... The commission might also adopt a forward-looking agenda on themes such as North American competitiveness, links between scientific institutions, borderland integration, the continental ecological system and educational and cultural exchanges.

The Monnet Commission Baer refers to was named for Jean Monnet, the socialist one-worlder who served as the principal architect of the Common Market. He and his self-appointed, self-anointed "wisemen" -- together with their American counterparts -- gradually foisted the EU on the people of Europe, using deception, outright lies, bribery, extortion, and corruption to achieve their objective.

Jacques Delors, the socialist president of the European Community Commission in 1992, when the NAFTA debate was raging, clearly saw the parallels between the two regional organizations. Delors gloated that "NAFTA is a form of flattery for us Europeans. In many ways, we have shown what positive, liberating effect these regional arrangements can have." Liberating for whom? Why, for one-world "wisemen" like Delors, naturally, who detest constitutional limitations on their powers.

In 1994, an important study by Gary Clyde Hufbauer (CFR) and Jeffrey J. Schott provided a fairly detailed guide to the globalist game plan for the hemisphere. Entitled Western Hemisphere Economic Integration, the Hufbauer-Schott study was published by the Institute for International Economics (IIE), a close sister of the CFR. The IIE, says The London Observer, "may be the most influential think-tank on the planet," with "an extraordinary record in turning ideas into effective policy."

"After four decades of dedicated effort," said the IIE report, "Western Europe has just arrived at the threshold of … monetary union, and fiscal coordination. It seems likely that trade and investment integration will proceed at a faster pace within the Western Hemisphere." Yes, the IIE-CFR internationalists have learned from the EU experience and expect to use those lessons to speed the process along in the Americas.

According to Hufbauer and Schott, "the more countries that participate in integration and the wider its scope, the greater the need for some institutional mechanism to administer the arrangements and to resolve the inevitable disputes, and the stronger the case for a common legal framework." This means supranational legislative, executive, and judicial institutions, of course. "The European Commission, Council, Parliament, and Court of Justice have many of the powers of comparable institutions in federal states," they noted approvingly before commenting, "On this subject, we score Europe with a 5 [on a scale of 0 to 5]."

But Hufbauer and Schott propose going even beyond the EU's rapacious appetite. They assert that "integration between NAFTA and Latin America should be legally open-ended; potentially the WHFTA [an earlier name for the FTAA] should include countries outside the hemisphere." They assert: "Economic logic suggests that the expansion of NAFTA in an Asian direction is just as desirable as its expansion in a Latin American direction."

A more recent brief for this hijacking of the Americas is provided by Felipe A.M. de la Balze, director of the Argentine Council on Foreign Relations and a professor of international economics. In an article entitled "Finding Allies in the Back Yard: NAFTA and the Southern Cone," in the July/August 2001 Foreign Affairs, de la Balze points his fellow Insiders toward the EU experience. "Witness the successive expansions of the European integration project (now the European Union)," he says, "which incorporated Italy in the 1950s, Spain in the 1970s, and then Greece, Ireland, and Portugal in the 1980s."

He continues:

Now a similar opportunity for integration exists in the Southern Cone of South America. A core group of countries -- Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay -- have made great strides in recent years and are poised, despite their short-term economic problems, to make steady political and economic gains over the next decade....

To this end, the best incentive the United States can provide is an expansion of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to the Southern Cone, making these South American nations members of the pact alongside the United States, Canada, and Mexico. But economic integration will not succeed without a compelling political rationale as well: namely, the promotion of democracy and regional security that could follow the creation of a "super NAFTA."

Integration Express

Having helped design the economic program in Argentina that has brought about that country's bankruptcy and present crisis, de la Balze believes it is time to crank up the "integration express": "A seven-state NAFTA, incorporating democratic and security accords as well as economic agreements, would offer a wide array of benefits to the entire hemisphere and could eventually integrate other Latin American countries." De la Balze acknowledges that the countries he proposes to integrate into the NAFTA/FTAA "need help in addressing endemic problems such as economic instability, low per-capita income, illiberal democratic practices, and narcoterrorism." And that "bringing economic growth and social stability to South America will require not only a vibrant private sector and functioning markets but also public education for the young, job training for the unemployed, public health care for the poor, and courts and police that treat all citizens alike." In other words, it will take huge transfers of wealth from U.S. taxpayers, as well as transfers of U.S. sovereignty to the new FTAA institutions. The program he outlines is a hemispheric socialist manifesto, disguised with rhetoric about free trade. "Again, Europe provides a good precedent," de la Balze claims.

President George W. Bush, like Bill Clinton before him, is following the destructive and subversive FTAA road plan laid out by de la Balze, Hufbauer, Schott, Baer, Kissinger, et al. Why? Senator Barry Goldwater explained in his 1979 memoir, With No Apologies, that despite the heated rhetoric and change in party label from one administration to the next, the same internationalist policies continue unabated:

When a new President comes on board, there is a great turnover in personnel but no change in policy. Example: During the Nixon years Henry Kissinger, CFR member and Nelson Rockefeller's protégé, was in charge of foreign policy. When Jimmy Carter was elected, Kissinger was replaced by Zbigniew Brzezinski, CFR member and David Rockefeller's protégé.

That same musical chairs rotation of CFR-Trilateral one-worlders has continued through the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush II administrations. This was plainly evident at a February 15, 2002 CFR program televised on C-SPAN. Vice President Dick Cheney, the featured speaker, drew a round of laughter by noting that he had been a longtime member of the Council but that he couldn't let his constituents back in Wyoming know that when he was serving as a member of Congress. The first person to speak following Mr. Cheney's speech was David Rockefeller, former chairman of both the CFR and Trilateral Commission (TC). "Mr. Vice President," said Rockefeller, "I just enjoyed so much your whole speech, but I was particularly pleased that you gave such a strong endorsement for the free-trade agreement for all the Americas -- a subject that has been of great concern to me for many years and particularly recently."

Indeed, David Rockefeller and the Rockefeller family have spearheaded the entire FTAA process for several decades through organizations such as the CFR, TC, IIE, the Chase Manhattan Bank, the Council of the Americas, The Americas Society, the Center for Inter-American Relations, and other institutions.

Both the FTAA and Trilateral processes entail building regional relationships that will eventually coalesce in world government. In With No Apologies, Goldwater noted that "the Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power -- political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.... What the Trilaterals truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved.... As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."

Clearly, the EU-NAFTA-FTAA schemes are intended to accomplish precisely that criminal and treasonous objective. As such, they are far more dangerous than any of the terrorist attacks that Osama bin Laden or others of his ilk can throw at us.

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The whole NAFTA-APEC-GATT trade waltz has been expertly planned and choreographed by the same globalist Insiders of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission (TC) to empower the United Nations over Americas national sovereignty.

But really folks this isn't much, is it? If you aren't interested in how this will effect the kids lifes just go back to the patio for another glass of iced tea. The kids will never know that you could have made a difference.

1 posted on 04/24/2002 4:57:43 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers – normally good Americans, but Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free, Americans who have been lulled away into a false security.

- Ezra Taft Benson, An Enemy Hath Done This

2 posted on 04/24/2002 5:10:54 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: B4Ranch
3 posted on 04/24/2002 5:22:39 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: glock rocks
Americans are paranoid about everything that happens OUTSIDE of our borders. What in the hell does it take to get them to look INSIDE our own Washington?
4 posted on 04/24/2002 5:35:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Americans have been lulled to complacency.

Ezra T Benson wrote None Dare Call it Treason when i was a kid...
he pointed out the evil of the CFR and TC then...
sadly, few paid attention then, and few pay attention now.

beyond the soverignty issue (as if there will be much left of us)
ireland's economy will be interesting to watch following the eu takeover.
they had a rallying economy prior to the eu, and the restrictions they
will face will pull them to the lowest denominator.

5 posted on 04/24/2002 5:50:56 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks
... or did stormer write the original also... i remember Benson wrote some of the commentary.
6 posted on 04/24/2002 5:54:17 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks; Iowa Granny; Snow Bunny; Travis McGee; A Navy Vet; meadsjn;30Carbine...
John Stormer wrote to the book that warned me about what our heroes were doing to America. Oh yes, our great Senators and glorious Congressmen, all our honorable world leaders in the White House and such intelligent businessmen from the superb American colleges, those that we were taught to worhip and struggle to become.

I don't mind saying it out loud, "Anyone who puts personal wealth and/or power in front of the American family security by allowing foreign policies to be preached in their government offices is a traitor. This includes everyone from the clerk at the local water department to the Oval Office in the White House".

To Republicans could see what President Clinton was doing but they refuse to open their eyes wide enough to see what President Bush is doing. The methods are different but the results are the same. Loss of liberty, rights and freedom for American citizens and the loss of sovereignty for these United States of America.

Every President since WWI has used our American military troops to further the the protection of whom? Answer: Our allies and our enemies by defeating outright communism and furthuring facist socialism.

America became strong because of the strong backbone our great grandfathers instilled into our grandfathers. They said, "You are responsible for what happens to you, your family and your country." Our grandfathers tried to instill that into our fathers and our fathers tried to instill it into us.

We have had a big enemy that has not been obvious to everyone. We refused to look close to home. We refused to look at our own government and the methods they were using to defeat our freedoms.

The United Nations has done more damage to America and it's people in the past fifty years than any disease or depression could possibly have done. Our own politicians rarely boast about the United Nations but they will boast about local programs they have sponsored with our tax dollars. Every one of these programs involving education since the conception of the National Education Association founded in 1964 (close, maybe '63) has been pushing the lowering of standards, the promotion of world peace and the reduction of personal rights.

Who, during his election campaign, was demanding that America correct it's failing school systems and that Congress authorize billions to fix it. Who has the backing of the NEA and all American teachers unions? Who gave the United Nations $485 million dollars as soon as possible when he was elected? Who was trying to erase the border between Mexico and the US of A?

Who can save America
The people who rose up and demanded that we not open our borders to every lowlife who thinks America is a better country to live in than his own, that America has a medical system superior than the third world countries, that America can afford to give free housing and food to them. Why did we do this? Because of the World Trade center attacks? Partially, but I think we are doing this because we are finally opening our eyes just a little bit and seeing what is going on inside America.

We are seeing that our foreign donations haven't done a damn thing for Africa. Aids is growing just as fast as ever even though adult African men are raping six month old babies under the belief that this will cure them. The international drug companies have made a lot of money, haven't they? The UN workers have been getting killed and we are refusing to send troops to protect them.

The UN is getting angry and has removed us from five UN seats since Bush's election but he continues to give them our money without voiced objection. He just placed Ted Turners man into an ambassadors chair. Why? Because he doesn't believe enough citizens know what he's doing to us.

Well folks, you had better start talking about this subject during the Saturday barbecues over cold beer or else you and your kids will soon be herded behind the UN fences. The other option if you don't like the vote box is of course the ammunition box. How long is it going to be before you will have to show a drivers license and a CCW permit to buy ammunition for the ole .38 or the great 9mm? The fantastic thing about having a CCW is that .......guess who has your name, age, address? yup the BATF. So when you are told to turn in your firearms and you don't, they will know exactly who didn't obey the law! Get ready, 'cause it's coming and too damn soon for my tastes.

You might stop off at

Click here and see what these folks are trying to do for our America

Most of these folks have been on the combat line and didn't like it. They want to try that vote box before they have to dig out the old hunting rifle that Pop gave to them. It's the local place where you can stand around and chat about who the enemy is, you don't have to crawl and whisper to your buddy where the enemy is for the next shot. There is other similarities though, you are fighting for freedom and you do need all the men you can get on your side, especially those who know who the enemy is and what they look like. Stop looking with your binoculars, start looking at your local government. Get the UN out of your hometown, then out of your State, then we'll get the bastards out of America and be free once more.

7 posted on 04/24/2002 7:29:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
bump. good post B4Ranch.

thanks for the correction... a friend loaned me a copy of the original book about ten years ago
i guess i forgot just how good of a book it was, and (duh) who the author was.
i definitely see the need to buy myself a copy and read it again.

8 posted on 04/24/2002 7:48:34 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks
Be careful when you do, remove anything within reach that you could hurt yourself with. That damn book almost made me commit suicide when I realized how few people know where the danger is coming from.
9 posted on 04/24/2002 7:52:37 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
I was at Seaworld in San Diego last Sunday, it's about 50% foreign tourists I'd guess.

While there I saw a latino man wearing a ballcap with an embroidered "AMEXICA" on the front in red, white, blue, green and orange.

10 posted on 04/24/2002 9:45:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
They already have their name for California? Property prices will be going down sooner than I thought.
11 posted on 04/24/2002 10:03:21 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
"AMEXICA" was the cover title of a big TIME issue last year, it showed a new country north and south of our border from TX to CA.
12 posted on 04/24/2002 10:09:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
...aztlan - not encouraging.
13 posted on 04/24/2002 10:38:16 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks
Not at all.
14 posted on 04/24/2002 12:02:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: healey22;lutine;Right_Makes_Might;wku man;sonofliberty2;fishing fool;sweetliberty;kattracks...
Interesting item. Ping!
15 posted on 04/24/2002 3:53:08 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Travis McGee
"AMEXICA" was the cover title of a big TIME issue last year, it showed a new country north and south of our border from TX to CA.

Yes, I just found a copy of that issue in the laundry room.

June 11, 2001
Special Issue: Welcome to AMEXICA.
THE BORDER is vanishing
before our eyes, creating a
new world for all of us

(emphasis mine) Now I have to catch up on my mainstream media reading.

16 posted on 04/24/2002 4:13:16 PM PDT by madfly
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To: B4Ranch
Wow, That was a great essay. A keeper. I understand the stages one goes through when suddenly faced with the ugly truth. I was a shoeple until the internet.

Your words are very inspiring. I will drop by.


17 posted on 04/24/2002 4:20:09 PM PDT by madfly
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To: 2Jedismom; 2sheep; Aliska;Aquinasfan; argee; Askel5; arielb; Artist;backhoe; BallandPowder...
Ping. Great article and great essay by B4Ranch.
18 posted on 04/24/2002 4:22:23 PM PDT by madfly
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To: thebattman;sweetliberty;travelgirl;pulaskibush;freethesouth...
19 posted on 04/24/2002 4:23:09 PM PDT by madfly
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To: B4Ranch
book for bumpmark
20 posted on 04/24/2002 4:32:38 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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