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Church of Nativity Gunmen stole gold, crucifixes, escaped monks report
Jerusalem Post ^ | April 24, 2002 | Margot Dudkevitch

Posted on 04/23/2002 5:35:06 PM PDT by Shermy

Three Armenian monks, who had been held hostage by the Palestinian gunmen inside the Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, managed to flee the church area via a side gate yesterday morning. They immediately thanked the soldiers for rescuing them.

They told army officers the gunmen had stolen gold and other property, including crucifixes and prayer books, and had caused damage.

The three elderly monks were assisted by soldiers. One of them held a white cloth banner with the words "Please help."

One of the monks, Narkiss Korasian, later told reporters: "They stole everything, they opened the doors one by one and stole everything... they stole our prayer books and four crosses... they didn't leave anything. Thank you for your help, we will never forget it."

Israeli officials said the monks said the gunmen had also begun beating and attacking clergymen.

Chances of a breakthrough in the three-week standoff between the IDF and the gunmen holding clergymen and Palestinian civilians hostage inside the church took a more optimistic turn last night, following two meetings between Palestinian Authority and Israeli officials.

Officials are expected to meet for the third time today, an Israeli security official said last night, adding that the talks were conducted in a good atmosphere.

"The Palestinians insist Israel allow the gunmen to be transferred directly to Gaza with an international escort; we insist they lay down their arms and those found to be involved in terrorist activities go on trial in Israel or be deported," he said.

PA officials who participated in the meetings included Imad Natshe, the district coordinating officer; PA Minister of Tourism Mitre Abu Aita, Bethlehem Mayor Hana Nasser, and Salah Ta'amri. Col. Marcel Aviv leads the IDF negotiating team.

Last night, Nasser told The Jerusalem Post a third meeting would take place this afternoon. The atmosphere in which the talks took place was good, he said, but "frankly, there has been no progress. The Israelis are adamant that the gunmen be deported. They don't know the exact number of the gunmen and neither do we. However we insist that the gunmen be taken to Gaza accompanied by a third party.

"If there are accusations against any of them, they can be formally made to the PA court. We cannot agree to their being deported, as it violates the Oslo Accords and sets a terrible precedent.

"We also asked Israel to improve the hygienic situation inside and restore the power and water and food supplies," he said.

Yesterday was the first time that both sides met for direct talks on the issue.

Of the scores of gunmen inside the church, security officials estimate there are at least 20 fugitives affiliated with the Fatah Tanzim and Hamas.

Among them are Ibrahim Abayat, who has planned and organized terrorist activities in the area, and Jihad Ja'ara who, according to witnesses, was shot in the leg when he and the other gunmen commandeered the church.

Israel has stressed that all those who leave the church and are proven not to have been involved in terrorism will be free to return to their homes.

According to reports from those who fled the compound in recent days, there is growing dissent among the gunmen. Food and water supplies are dwindling, and the pressure is mounting, Israeli officials said. Throughout the past weeks, the IDF has given food and medication to the clergy held hostage inside; the other Palestinians held hostage by the gunmen receive water and medication.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: bethlehem; christianpersecutio; church; churchofnativity; nativity
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To: Shermy
Not a single post from the anti-Israel, pro-Pali terrorists yet? Perhaps they're waiting for the spin from Yasser's office...
21 posted on 04/23/2002 6:12:45 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: Diogenesis
"We're having a swine tome!"
22 posted on 04/23/2002 6:15:39 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Shermy
Hope they are putting at least salt peter in their food....maybe something else to make them pass out in hours???
23 posted on 04/23/2002 6:16:06 PM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: Shermy
They told army officers the gunmen had stolen gold and other property, including crucifixes and prayer books, and had caused damage.

Oh, puhleeze! I'm sure they just wanted to pray! < /sarcasm >

If this wasn't the Church of the Nativity, I'd suggest a bunker-buster.

24 posted on 04/23/2002 6:17:37 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Shermy
Give them 1 hour to free all hostages in the church. One hour to leave, naked to the waist, arms up and no weapons. If the one hour deadline is ignored, make an announcement that we are very sorry, but terrorism and hostage taking can not and will not be tolerated. Then go in with extreme prejudice.

No more chances, no more playing nice, no more being the asses of the "civilized" world.

25 posted on 04/23/2002 6:20:49 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: abwehr
Now as to this scum still holed up inside.

Gas them. Pipe a non-lethal, skin-absorbed agent into the building and put them asleep. Then remove terrorists, revive priests, execute terrorists, preferrably with lard-lubed bullets.

Could be done in a lazy afternoon.

26 posted on 04/23/2002 6:22:52 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Gritty
I have not ever seen a sign of shame by any mohammedan over any outrage committed by any other mohammedan for any reason whatsoever no matter how trivial or idiotic. These(as Mary bin Poppins might say) moronic and merciless people have declared war on the rest of humanity and need to be and deserve to be hammered by the rest of mankind into submission, annihilation,or hopefully eventually into some inspiration which will lead them to embrace something constructive to believe in.
27 posted on 04/23/2002 6:23:40 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Gritty
It's not the existing church on the site that makes the church of the nativity holy. It's the fact that christ was born there that makes it holy. If the Palestinians demolish the building, the site will still be holy. Your point about the hypocricy of the palestinians is well taken. They wouldn't sit by and allow desacration of their own holy sites.
28 posted on 04/23/2002 6:23:52 PM PDT by passionfruit
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To: Shermy
Throughout the past weeks, the IDF has given food and medication to the clergy held
hostage inside; the other Palestinians held hostage by the gunmen receive water and medication.


Yep, sounds like the work of a bunch of them there massacre-ing Israelis.
(lowering gain on sarcasm/cynicism volume control...)
Well, I'm sure most of the major media outlets will warp truth enough to show the
world how the Palestinians are being tortured during this event.
29 posted on 04/23/2002 6:34:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Diogenesis; Jethro Tull
We expect the Palestinians to act like pathological lying, murderous scum. What we don't expect are some of those here at FreeRepublic to aid, abet, and sympathize with their actions and believe and help prorogate their lies! DO WE TULL, et. al. ???!!!
30 posted on 04/23/2002 6:42:50 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Putz,,,if this report is true (remember the source - The Jerusalem Post) why would you think I'd support this crime?
31 posted on 04/23/2002 6:48:59 PM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: NativeNewYorker
The Media Whores are willing accomplices of the new Nazis, the Palestinian terrorists who target every Jewish man, woman, and child for death. The Media Whores wants to report anything, including flagrant lies, that makes Israel look bad, and covers up the truth when it makes the Palestinians look bad. The Media Whores are a large part of the problem.
32 posted on 04/23/2002 6:58:11 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Jethro Tull
Putz,,,if this report is true (remember the source - The Jerusalem Post) why would you think I'd support this crime?

Why?! Because you support them when they do even greater crimes, THAT'S WHY!

33 posted on 04/23/2002 7:01:56 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jethro Tull
You're the putz if you think that because an article is in the Jerusalem Post, which has NEVER had its reputation for truthfulness questioned by any non-Arab source, it is false. The monks met with the press. That you don't like what they said is too bad.
34 posted on 04/23/2002 7:02:21 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: caisson71; d4now
This whole thing is driven by the media. They are purposefully spinning, purposefully inviting inflammatory guests, purposefully reporting lies as fact, purposefully ignoring anything inconvenient to their agenda, and purposefully reporting on that which does.

I don't know what their agenda truly is. I think even they don't know it, but I wish they would spend some solitary time to think it through.

35 posted on 04/23/2002 7:02:31 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Shermy
Are you kidding? They will slant it. I know many Armenians, and many of them have a deep distrust of Muslims, esp Turks, and Armenians in the Armenian Diaspora (Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, USA) that I know think Islam is a crock and hate Islamics.

This will be spun as Armenians siding with Israel against the Muslims.

36 posted on 04/23/2002 7:05:04 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Ecliptic
Give em salt pork and Jack Daniels.
37 posted on 04/23/2002 7:06:31 PM PDT by Argus
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To: abwehr
Well they haven't 'stolen' it yet, at least technically. They are still inside and I doubt very much if the Israeli Army will allow them to 'leave' with a monks gold cross or anything else that belongs to the church.

Unfortunately, the Israelis aren't ten feet tall. If they were, this would not be going on, period. A few of the Palestinian Authority soldiers (a.k.a. policemen, a.k.a. terrorists) may have already escaped from the compound with sacred loot. As for the Israelis being able to search each of the fighters as they leave the church, we'll see. I'm sure they would love to, but the Palestinian side will probably push hard to not have this as a feature of any deal.

38 posted on 04/23/2002 7:08:43 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: tomahawk
Back in the 60's I used to listen to shortwave radio, and Radio Moscow was one of the stations.

I remember how they only told the part of the story they wanted to tell with their slant. Radio Kiev was more honest and NOT the same bunch.

Today's MediaWhores (TV, most papers, radio news) are so much like the old Radio Moscow it's scary. I pay no attention to them whatsoever.

The best source for news is FreeRepublic.

39 posted on 04/23/2002 7:08:47 PM PDT by ReaganIsRight
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To: Diogenesis
Since when did Denmark become part of Germany? Oh, got to love the Communist News Network.
40 posted on 04/23/2002 7:12:23 PM PDT by Stavka2
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