[jlogajan]

Okay, you're the type that needs to think we won a glorious victory in Vietnam. Yes, yes, of course. And you are king of the universe -- and all the Hollywood starlets want to marry you -- and you may have already won the 10 billion dollar Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes ...

The rest of us see that Vietnam fell into the enemy hands -- a defeat for us.

[68 grunt]

My first response would have been deleted. Glad I backed out, and waited a moment before trying again.

The process was called 'peace with honor' and 'vietnamization', gradually removing our troops while allowing the Vietnamese to determine their own future. It was the Vietnamese who did not have the cojones, the will and dedication to win, who lost.

However, Vietnam was just a battle in the greater war against communsist domination. This battle contributed to weakening the greater enemy, who was ultimately defeated. I contend that we won the battles of Vietnam and we won the war against communism.

[LisaFab]

I prefer to think of Viet Nam as well as Korea as battles we lost in the Cold War which ultimately was a victory.

[r9etb]

The rest of us see that Vietnam fell into the enemy hands -- a defeat for us.

Actually, no. It was defeat for the South Vietnamese army.

Which (dragging us back on-topic) was originally created by the French, who surrendered the area to the natives back in 1954....