[68 grunt]

My first response would have been deleted. Glad I backed out, and waited a moment before trying again.

The process was called 'peace with honor' and 'vietnamization', gradually removing our troops while allowing the Vietnamese to determine their own future. It was the Vietnamese who did not have the cojones, the will and dedication to win, who lost.

However, Vietnam was just a battle in the greater war against communsist domination. This battle contributed to weakening the greater enemy, who was ultimately defeated. I contend that we won the battles of Vietnam and we won the war against communism.

[jlogajan]

I think we did win the wider struggle against Soviet communism. If you want to call Vietnam a battle in that struggle, I have no problem with that. We did lose that particular battle.

But it is also correct to call it its own war, and we did lose that too.

[Calvin Coolidge]

We did not achieve our original military objectives in Vietnam. As it became clear that these original objectives were unattainable; we defined a series of progressively less ambitious objectives. This does not mean that withdraw of all our forces while the country was overrun by the NVA constitutes a victory.

In a sense, we lost the war but won the campaign. In the same manner, the British lost the war of American Independence, but ultimately prevailed in the global power struggle versus France and Spain.

I don't mean to denigrate the valour of our armed forces serving in Vietnam in any way. My father served three tours; in 66, 69, and 72; as an Air Force pilot. I would never doubt his courage, just as I would never doubt the courage of the French who died at Borodino or the Germans at Kursk. Still, they lost.

[clamper1797]

However, Vietnam was just a battle in the greater war against communsist domination. This battle contributed to weakening the greater enemy, who was ultimately defeated. I contend that we won the battles of Vietnam and we won the war against communism.

AMEN

BTW .... Welcome home brother

[Walkin Man]

However, Vietnam was just a battle in the greater war against communist domination. This battle contributed to weakening the greater enemy, who was ultimately defeated. I contend that we won the battles of Vietnam and we won the war against communism.

I agree 100% with this view. The Vietnam war helped bleed and weaken the USSR and Red China. Communism fell in Russia but unfortunately still clings to power in Red China thanks to capitalists for the most part. Gee, what would Marx think about that? Vietnam vet should be given credit for the defeat of communism, world-wide.

[arthurus]

Vietnamese who did not have the cojones,

The Viets fought like tigers and held off the Communists for 2 years until their ordnance and supplies ran out because the US Congress cut off all funding and supplies This was after our military had trained the southerners to fight American style with American hardware and methods. When our Liberals cut them off they were in the middle of war and did not have the margin of time to completely change their outlook or build the factories for producing their own ordnance. We disengaged gradually and properly, the Viets were holding their own and Congress kicked them off the cliff.