GAY-BASH HOMILY DIDN'T HAVE EGAN BLESSING

New York Post ^ | 4/23/02 | DAN MANGAN

[kattracks]

A St. Patrick's Cathedral priest who is under fire for a sermon bashing homosexuality as the prime cause of priest child-molestation said yesterday he did not clear Sunday's homily with his boss, Edward Cardinal Egan, even as the archdiocese distanced itself from his remarks.

[IrishRainy]

So if 99.9988% of priests are NOT engaging in this sort of behavior, that means that only 1/10th of 1% are. Out of approximately 49,000 priests in this country (just heard that the other day, but don't quote me), then approximately 49 are the homosexuals in question. Since homosexuals make up approximately 2% of the population, I'd expect more in the priesthood, so I'd say they are doing a pretty good job of keeping them out.

[history_matters]

We need to write letters of support to Msgr. Clark and we need to write to Cardinal Egan telling him how much we support Msgr. Clark. The homosexualists will be trying to destroy Msgr. Clark from within the Church and from the outside.

Monsignor Eugene Clark
460 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022-6863

H.E. Edward Cardinal Egan
452 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022-6864

[BlackElk]

With scant few exceptions, the problem is with homosexual (always disordered under ANY and ALL circumstances according to Church teaching) conduct by priests whether with ten year olds or sixteen year olds. This behavior violates both the vow of celibacy and the vow of obedience to say nothing of violating the body of the victim.

If the behavior were heterosexual, as it very seldom appears to be, it would still be a violation of those vows and of the body of the victim.

Instead of quibbling over distinctions as to pedophilia pederasty, the other psychologists' term (epebophilia???) beginning with an "e" which seems so big a deal to some, or plain old child molesting, Catholics can certainly agree that homosexual intercourse, all homosexual intercourse of whatever variety, regardless of the age of the victim, is SIN for the perpetrator. Heterosexual violation of priestly vows of celibacy and obedience is SIN. Anyone who cannot refrain must be run out of the priesthood of the Roman Rite.

Anyone who, in a position of hierarchical authority, knowingly covers up for or surreptitiously transfers the miscreants without frank notice to the old congregation and the new, is essentially an accessory after the fact to what is felonious misbehavior where the victims are minors, much less small children.

Clean house and start over. Clean out the lavenders and their tame enablers. Close the seminaries, firing their administrations and faculty by abolishing their institutions. Create four new regional and orthodox seminaries run by and taught by priests with John Wayne personalities, no nuns and no pschologists and no psychiatrists. Make solid orthodox no-nonsense priests available to seminarians as confessors and spiritual advisors.

If we can have an archbishop as military vicar only (and we do), Rome can appoint an archbishop as vicar of seminaries with absolute authority, subject only to the pope, to maintain orthodoxy in doctrine and to conduct an ongoing purge of unorthodox belief and behavior.

Cardinal Law, Cardinal Mahoney, Archbishop Weakland, and a myriad of others, are the problem. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Bishop Thomas Doran of Rockford, Archbishop Chaput of Denver, and Monsignor Clark and others like them, are the solution.

[Askel5]

This is so damned typical. I'm sick to the death of having the revolutionaries at the Diocese distance themselves from the Orthodox whilst currying favor with leftists and radicals, pro-aborts and eco-feminists by offering them a chance to "dialogue" on Church property.

Makes me ill.

(And you wonder where the GOP gets all its great ideas ... =)

[history_matters]

If we can have an archbishop as military vicar only (and we do), Rome can appoint an archbishop as vicar of seminaries with absolute authority, subject only to the pope, to maintain orthodoxy in doctrine and to conduct an ongoing purge of unorthodox belief and behavior.

AMEN!

[history_matters]

We should also write JOE ZWILLING and let him know what we think of his evil little pr dance away from the truth of Msgr. Clark's words.

[BlackElk]

AND, we are hardly in need of lessons in how to reform our Church (conform it to modern evils and the moral pollution of the world at large) from one who does not believe in God. Monsignor Clark is of the Roman Catholic Church not the American Association of University Professors or Lambda Legal Defense Fund.

Perhaps you fancy yourself a libertarian. If so, what is more libertarian than mind your own business?

[Askel5]

Agreed ... Thank for the reminder ours is a counter-offensive as well.

[history_matters]

Mr. Joe Zwilling
Archdiocese of New York
1011 First Avenue
New York NY 10022-4134

212-371-1000 is the general phone number for the Archdiocese.

[oremus]

Let's Freep em all:

Archdiocese of New York 1011 First Avenue New York NY 10022-4134 212-371-1000

Saint Patrick's Cathedral 14 East 51st Street New York NY 10022 212-753-2261

[BlackElk]

Let's see if I comprehend the meaning of your idea that those who agree with Monsignor Clark as to the general state of immorality in the United States (and its comparative status vis-a-vis the other hemisphere countries) after thirty years of "no-fault" divorce, increasing acceptance and promotion of homosexuality, wife-swapping clubs, 40+ million abortions by surgical means and probably ten times that many by chemical means (the pill which IS an abortifacient) and so forth are communists who should travel to Cuba and dosvadanya to them.

Castro is not Cuba. The Arkansas Antichrist was not the United States. Nations, as such, do not commit sins. People do. May I suggest that you really have not thought this through and that you need to prove now that you are capable of thinking it through?

[eastsider]

I'd be happy to write a letter if I knew what Msgr. Clark actually said. So far, all I've read snippets with no context in press articles. In fact, even according to this article, Msgr. Clark has said that his comments "have been misconstrued and misinterpreted. The problem of sexual abuse of minors is a complex one . . . To suggest that I said that there is one cause and one solution to the problem is to grossly oversimplify the situation."

I think I'll wait till I read his homily in context before commenting on it.

[Gophack]

Excellent idea, writing the letters. Thank you.

To all:

I was a saddened reading the comments on this thread and seeing the anger and frustration and lack of hope among both Catholics and non-Catholics. We need to stand back and realize that we are on the same side. We are children of God, and we must treat each other kindly and with respect, even in our disagreements. We have enough enemies in the world, do we need to treat each other as such?

I think, WWJD? If He were here today, what would He say? He would have an apropos parable illustrating not what the Priests did that was wrong -- because that is so obvious it goes without saying -- but showing the reactions of the people and how those reactions are damaging their faith.

God bless you all.

[Antoninus]

I defy any devout, believing Catholic to tell me where Monsignor Clark went wrong. The Archdiocese should not cave in to the howling of the very immoral culture that Msgr. Clark rightly criticized.

We should all write to the Archdiocese praising the Monsignor's courage and offsetting the Gaystapo attacks that are no doubt on the way.

[BlackElk]

As to the media and any fear of it, it is time for the Roman Catholic Church to attack the media with appropriate fury and not grovel before the media. Can the media take as much scrutiny as it has applied to the Church?

[oremus]

While we're at it - let's cc the Vatican, Pope, and Ratzinger. Anyone have the addresses?

[steve-b]

Let's see if I comprehend the meaning of your idea that those who agree with Monsignor Clark as to the general state of immorality in the United States (and its comparative status vis-a-vis the other hemisphere countries)... are communists who should travel to Cuba and dosvadanya to them

Yes. If you think that the USA is less moral than Cuba, then you should go live in Cuba. Duh.

[history_matters]

His Holiness Pope John Paul II
The Apostolic Palace
La Santa Sede
00120 Vatican City
Europe

You may wish to put ITALY after Vatican City so as to help the postal services.