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To: Arkinsaw
You raise valid points...

The looting of the BIA trust was one of the more sickening things to occur during the Clintoon years... And your point about the treaties is, of course, valid as well. However, A.I.M represents only those Indians who follow the Liberal Leftist agenda - the rest of us are treated with derision and scorn... THAT is part of my problem with them - the underlying leftist agenda.

I make the "mistake" (according to the race-baiters) of considering myself an American first, an Indian second - I love this country, and it's still my land regardless of what "race" makes up the majority...

If someone nows of an organization for Conservative Indians, then THAT is who I'd support...

22 posted on 04/21/2002 6:53:33 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
However, A.I.M represents only those Indians who follow the Liberal Leftist agenda - the rest of us are treated with derision and scorn... THAT is part of my problem with them - the underlying leftist agenda.

Of course, its the same with another group that yells "Uncle Tom" when someone has an unsanctioned non-party line political view. Its designed to shout down dissenting views and keep the whole group on the Democratic/Liberal plantation.

However the attitude that I see here is going to do nothing but increase the power of AIM and make the Indians see that Republican/Conservatives have no interest in fulfilling the obligations either. "Put some ice on it" is not going to help form an Indian conservative group or provide an alternative political path for Native Americans is it? The message to them is, - you aren't worth the trouble, have no rights, should have no expectation of us keeping our treaty obligations, will not go after those who steal your money, so just go ahead and stay on the liberal plantation and sink into dependence and victimhood, resort to gambling or whatever to make a living because we are don't care and consider you all to be leftist hatemongers like the worst among you.

Ten to one they'll go to the scuzzy lawyers, the Al Sharpton's, and AIM given no other alternate political path. Then maybe we'll have that "Palestinian" problem after all. Can't say we didn't ask for it.
30 posted on 04/21/2002 7:08:28 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Chad Fairbanks
A.I.M represents only those Indians who follow the Liberal Leftist agenda - the rest of us are treated with derision and scorn... THAT is part of my problem with them - the underlying leftist agenda. If someone nows of an organization for Conservative Indians, then THAT is who I'd support...

Exactly. Many Americans today don't realize that there are two groups of American Indians.

#1 are the (mostly) poor Natives living on the reservations. They tend to be fairly leftist (looking for more handouts) and are the source of most of the pro-Native protest we hear in the news.

#2 are the native Americans who have moved off the reservations, assimilated to society, and hold down solid jobs just like any other American. These Native Americans fall all over the political spectrum, but a huge percentage are God fearing conservative Americans.

The problem is that Group #2 is far larger than Group #1, but there's no political activism by Group #2. Because we only hear about Group #1, most Americans erroneously believe that ALL Indians belong to reactionary, leftist groups like AIM. What's the solution? I don't know. I am white, but my wife is 50% Osage (her mother was reservation born) and is a professional, conservative AMERICAN. We've had this discussion a thousand times, and have never come up with a satisfactory solution.
44 posted on 04/21/2002 8:01:31 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: Chad Fairbanks
#22, Forget it if you think you will find an organization of conservative Indians. If you do please contact me. Why dont we start one and use F.R. as our base.

In my tribe (Yuroks of N.Calif.) the only conservatives I know of are my family. I mean NONE. I have gone on some of the Native American sites and they make me sick. They support the Demos who like to "give" them the dole outs, which keeps them from getting off their butts and finding a life. Even in the 1800s they had what the free Indians called the ,"hang around the fort Indians" just hanging around waiting for the government handouts.

Well thanks for letting get my 2 wampums in. Aloha

59 posted on 04/22/2002 6:47:42 AM PDT by fish hawk
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