[Sabramerican]

Send presents. This guy is going to have his Bris in seven days. Seems he was born yesterday.

[My Identity]

the Middle East tragedy is more intractable than we might even imagine. For resolution will remain remote so long as each side denies the other's history, and their legitimate grievances.

I find the above almost laughably inane.


From the Palestinian Violence video:

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are.
Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.
Wherever you are, kill the Jews, the Americans who are like them, and those who stand by them.
They are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims.
They should be slaughtered. They should be murdered.
Such is the word of Allah."
- an Islamic mufti, broadcast on Pali TV

So...
Muslim "True Believers" see the Arab-Israeli conflict as religious.
Therefore, any compromise with the Israelis is a heresey.
Therefore, any "peace process" that requires compromise is heresey.
Therefore, only complete surrender or complete victory will bring peace.

So far, the US has not let the Israelis obtain complete victory.
Therefore, Israel's only options are surrender or death.
And if Israel goes, the US is next on the islamists' list.
Or as they famously put it: "After Saturday comes Sunday".

If anyone can explain how Islam isn't the issue here, I would be eager to listen.
If anyone can explain how this isn't a clash of civilizations, please post away.

"But this thing won’t end, won’t die out with the death of Osama Bin Laden. Because there are tens of thousands of Osama Bin Ladens by now, and they’re not only in Afghanistan or in other Arabic countries. They’re everywhere, and the most hardened ones are right in the Western world. In our cities, on our roads, in our universities, in the ganglions of technology. That technology that any dolt can handle. The Crusade has been in progress for some time. It works like a Swiss watch, sustained by a faith and a malice comparable only to the faith and malice of Torquemada when he led the Inquisition. The fact is that dealing with them is impossible. Reasoning? Unthinkable! Treating them with indulgence, tolerance or hope? Suicide! Whoever thinks differently is deluded."

Anger and Pride
by Oriana Fallaci

[17th Miss Regt]

What the movie captures so intelligently was the humdrum quality which pervaded that conversation. It was as if company executives were meeting over lunch to discuss the latest manufacturing technique or marketing initiative.

Hannah Arendt coined the phrase 'the banality of evil' to help explain how these things happen. Heydrich was quoted in this film as saying, "Shared knowledge means shared responsibility." The same idea allows the participants to rationalize away their responsibility. "I am just a small cog in a big machine."

I see a major clash coming between Islam and the West, and the results will not be pretty.

[Eala]

a Web site called "RadioIslam." There I found Holocaust revisionism at its worst, a full-throated denial that there had ever been any slaughter. On my screen was a so-called objective analysis of Wannsee, insisting it was a fabrication. Alongside this claim were other computer pages denying the gas chambers and crematoria.

Um. Just started checking (and don't know if I can follow through), but the RadioIslam page here merely asserts that there is no proof that Hitler directly ordered it. Still looking, though...

[backhoe]

Indexed!

[Cachelot]

Radio Islam is in Sweden. It is linked to by a great many neo-nazi/white-supremacist sites in the US. Including the lairs of many on this site.

[swarthyguy]

Wannsee Conference is a great movie. A little dry, a little boring even as the meeting continues and horrendous items are discussed in between coffee and cake. Overall chilling, it exemplifes the statement "banality of evil".

[mtman]

For resolution will remain remote so long as each side denies the other's history, and their legitimate grievances. If this conflict descends into either side refusing to recognize how we got to where we are today,.....I think you are on to someting that I has puzzled me for some time...DENYING HISTORY!! ....My question to you is:...Historically, why is it that throughout the ages, the Jews have been expelled from almost every country they have ever been in?...I ask this in all seriousness, as I have no answers...just questions...Perhaps when we can see the bigger historical picture, we will be able to "recognize how we got to where we are today" Im at a loss for answers...

[StevenJ]

As a history teacher in a small New England school, I have learned to take history with a grain of salt. It changes day to day with new discoveries. However, that being said, there are things that we know that is hard, solid fact. One of these is the existence of concentration camps by the Germans during WWII. Even if I did not have faith in the written records, films, and eyewitness accounts of the atrocities committed during that time, I have faith in my father who was in the 9th division. His company liberated a concentration camp in in 1945. My dad was one of the people I could count on to tell me the truth about anything I asked him. He did not say much about it because he just did not talk about the war. But one of the things that made it very believeable was the fact he said it did not bother him at all. He had seen a lot of war and his company had taken a beating the day before where they suffered over 50% casualties during an artillery barrage. For those who say the holocaust did not happen, peddle your lies somewhere else, preferrably to the devil.