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Jenin massacre uncovering
Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | April 19, 2002 8:08 | LINDA MOTTRAM

Posted on 04/20/2002 4:44:02 AM PDT by Jurist

This is a transcript of AM broadcast at 0800 AEST on local radio.

Jenin massacre uncovering

AM - Friday, April 19, 2002 8:08

LINDA MOTTRAM: To the Middle East and as more information comes out of the cities of Jenin and Nablus on the West Bank, it's becoming clear that Israel will have to answer allegations that it's committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during its occupation of the West Bank.

One British forensic expert says the evidence points to a massacre by Israeli forces. That expert is Professor Derrick Pounder from Amnesty International who's inspected the devastation and examined some of the now rotting bodies that are still being pulled from the rubble in Jenin.

He says the truth will come out, just as it did in Bosnia and in Kosovo before and the UN envoy, Terje Roed-Larsen, who has also inspected the Jenin refugee camp says the sight is horrific beyond belief and that Israel's failure to allow in rescue teams was morally repugnant.

The ABC's foreign affairs editor Peter Cave reports from Jerusalem.

PETER CAVE: As he picked his way through a pile of rubble the size of several football fields which was once a crowded ghetto of houses in the refugee camp, Terje Roed-Larsen was clearly taken aback by the scale of the devastation, the bodies and the knowledge that many who died underneath were buried alive for days.

TERJE ROED-LARSEN: I think I can speak for all in the UN delegation here that we are shocked, this is horrifying beyond belief. Just seeing this area looks like as if there's been an earthquake here and the stench of death telling its own story around here.

PETER CAVE: Mr Roed-Larsen has called for a full withdrawal of Israeli forces and a lifting of a curfew in the area, not only to allow the retrieval of the dead but also to provide urgent help for those still alive.

DERRICK POUNDER: The stench of decaying corpses are all over the place. I saw personally an about 12-year-old boy being dug out, his body totally destroyed. I saw two brothers digging out of the rubble their father and their brothers.

There are people all over the place digging with their hands, looking for their relatives and dear ones. It's a horrible scene.

The devastation is nearly total at the heart of the refugee camp and we assess that about 2,000 people are now without roof over their heads. There's lack of food, there's lack of water, the electricity grids are destroyed, the water is cut.

It's a catastrophic situation particularly in the refugee camp but also in the whole town of Jenin.

PETER CAVE: Despite growing international outrage over the apparent massacre, the Israeli Government remains unrepentant. Foreign Ministry spokesman Gideon Meir.

GIDEON MEIR: Jenin is a symbol of Palestinian brutalitism. Jenin is a capital of suicide bombers. Jenin, there was a huge infrastructure of terror. We went there to fight the terrorist cells to eliminate terror. There was heavy fighting there and great fighting there. We lost 23 of our boys. Jenin is not a recreation area, Jenin is not a resort.

LINDA MOTTRAM: Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman Gideon Meir, that report from Peter Cave in Jerusalem.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: bulldozers; devastation; idf; israel; jeninmassacre; refugees; sharon
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To: Jurist
Oh, I get it now. When people disagree with you they're illogical.
101 posted on 04/20/2002 6:53:53 AM PDT by philo
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To: Jurist
Another Jurist lie: "a third party [the Jews] who had been absent for some 2,000 years". This is pure Pal agitprop. An utter lie. A lazy lie.
102 posted on 04/20/2002 6:55:10 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Leisler
I could go on with the reality of facts, but I prefer to insult you

You had my sides splitting! Well said!

103 posted on 04/20/2002 6:55:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Jurist
This means allowing Palestine (or at least a part of Palestine) be Palestine. That takes a lot of heat out from under the pressure cooker. If people can lead a normal life, they a far less prone to picking up a rifle and risking their lives (because life is good). If life is miserable, they have nothing else to lose.

In your opinion, the Palestinians would cease (or reduce) the number of murders if they had their own state? LOL... Well, I will tell you what I (and many others) know: These terrorists have never been interested in having their own state alongside Israel. These individuals have one goal- the complete destruction of Israel and in it's place Palestine. They have said this time and time again... it's in their media, their textbooks, geez... where isn't it? They have created their own hell by trying to destroy Israel. They have placed all their resources into annihilating Israel. As a result, they have nothing but horror to offer. Arafat is a two-bit dictator and he and his buddies are jew-hating murderers... imagine what sort of country Palestine would be with these freaks running the show. No thanks!

If life is miserable, they have nothing else to lose.

So they bomb people they don't even know? That makes no sense... MANY people live in poverty and misery and most DON'T run around blowing other people up. And what of all that money they use to purchase bombs and weapons? Why not use it to FIX things for crying out loud? The terrorists' idea of "fixing things" is to kill Israelis. The "argument" that poverty and misery cause terrorism is a cop out. Why attempt to justify the unjustifiable? Some things are just plain wrong.

104 posted on 04/20/2002 6:56:16 AM PDT by grimalkin
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To: Pious but Worldly
You're full of it. Liar.
105 posted on 04/20/2002 6:57:19 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Leisler
At least he didn't piss you off....ROFL.
106 posted on 04/20/2002 6:58:06 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Jurist
Better them than us. This is why it is important to keep our distance from Israel.
107 posted on 04/20/2002 6:59:38 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: OldFriend
Euro governments are terrified by the prospect of the threat of terror arising from their undigestible Muslim inhabitants. The French, for instance, are just now awakening from the dream --the Cosmopolitan myth--that the Algerians will ever be "French" in any meaningful sense.
108 posted on 04/20/2002 7:00:31 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: All
These were terrorists.

If you want to investigate a massacre of innocents, try Waco.

109 posted on 04/20/2002 7:00:42 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: Jurist
You may be right. A massacre may have occurred, but it has become the nature of warfare. When the Palestian leadership and their people decided to adopt a military strategy that makes Israeli civilians primary targets in order to placate their feelings and desires to strike back with any means necessary despite that their own civilian population are more vulnerable, they now reap the fruits of their own foolishness. I think the US should not criticize Israel, but rather support it with our silence because it is in our interest to do so. We should not encourage the Arab world that they can get what they want by using terrorism against civilians and assuming the victims are too soft (that is what many Arabs think of Americans) to retaliate in kind. Israel is their test case. If they can terrorize Israel into submission, the Arabs will use this tactic on our streets. Since 9/11 the Arab people's intentions and feelings have been exposed and Israel has become our front outpost against Arab terrorism.
110 posted on 04/20/2002 7:03:27 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Pious but Worldly
Well Jenin was a massacre pure and simple. The death toll will be over 1000.

The seeds of another anti-Israel, pro-terrorist "urban legend" have been planted.

111 posted on 04/20/2002 7:03:53 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: grimalkin
If the IRA will not allow Ulster to live in peace, even though Ulster shares Ireland with a good intentioned Eire, Can one reasonably expect Hamas et al, hate to tolerate Israel?
112 posted on 04/20/2002 7:04:49 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Jurist
so they killed a bunch of killers, or those who will produce them. bfd. more power to ya, baby.
113 posted on 04/20/2002 7:05:17 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: RobbyS
"the French are just now awakening from the dream...a cosmopolitan myth...that the algerians will ever be French in any meaningful sense"

1) a lot of french people never thought this myth was true to begin with. generally, they were shouted down by liberals.

2) there are several groups in the USA for whom this description accurately applies as well.

114 posted on 04/20/2002 7:06:16 AM PDT by quebecois
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To: Pious but Worldly
"Well Jenin was a massacre pure and simple. The death toll will be over 1000."

Yeah, right! You must have been talking to Miss Cleo.

115 posted on 04/20/2002 7:06:47 AM PDT by AF68
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To: Fee
Regarding #110: I think you have it exactly right.
116 posted on 04/20/2002 7:06:49 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Jurist; Old Friend; Diogenesis; backhoe; xvb;DB;Rocketdoc;Lucius Cornelius Sulla...
The shrill and slavering attitude of Israeli supporters, who attempt to shout down any criticism of Israel's actions. Most tellingly, the attitude they have expressed, which reinforces, rather than allays, the suspicion that this was a massacre in the planning and execution, rather than simple collateral damage.

And the human rights folks were where as the Palestinian Arab terrorists bombed and shot Israelis again and again and again? And where were they about the very fact of existence of the so-called refugee camps, there as a result of the Arab league calling on Arab citizens of Israel to flee just before they launched the attack on Israel in 1948? After the war, which they lost, the surrounding Arab nations refused to take in the people because they saw that leaving them there would provide a means of continuing their war against Israel:
"Let it therefore be known and appreciated that, in demanding the restoration of the refugees to Palestine, the Arabs intend that they shall return as the masters of the homeland, and not as slaves. More explicity: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel."--Muhammad Saleh ed-Din, Egyptian Minister for Foreign Affairs, in Al Misri, a leading Egyptian daily, October 11, 1949.

"The return of all the refugees to their homes would be secured, thereby we should of the one hand, eliminate the refugee problem, and on the other, create a large Arab majority that would serve as the most effective means of reviving the Arab character of Palestine [note: not the "Palestinian" character of Palestine], while forming a powerful fifth column for the day of revenge and reckoning." --Al-Ziyyad, a Lebanese newspaper, April 6, 1950.

"The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die."--Ralph Galloway, former director of UNRWA, in 1958.

"Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner....They have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."--King Hussein, 1960

"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees...while it is we who made them leave....We brought disaster upon...Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave....We have rendered them dispossessed....We have accustomed them to begging....We have participated in lowering their moral and social level....Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon...men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes...."--Khaled Al-Azm, his 1972 memoirs, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war.
With the exception of Ralph Galloway, all the quotes above are from Arab sources. You can find these and more, together with their documentation in a very extensive notes section, in From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine by Joan Peters, pages 20-24.

While justice should be blind, a Jurist ought not to be.
117 posted on 04/20/2002 7:07:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: quebecois
We have been ddisabled by the Civil rights leaders who grow hysterical every time they see a brown face being dominated by a white one. The irony is that it is hard to tell an Israeli from an Arab on the streets of Jerusalem if both are dressed in western clothes.
118 posted on 04/20/2002 7:11:11 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: aruanan
Galloway's comment is on the mark. The Pallies are victims of Arab neglect and opportunism, not Israeli aggression. Arabs see the Pallies as subhuman...perfect weapons to be used against civilization. The Pallies are the quintessential "useful idiots."
119 posted on 04/20/2002 7:11:49 AM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Jurist
This is merely a contrivance by the U.N.and it's sympathizers to create another one of it's FALSE WAR CRIMES.I hope Israel denies entry on all counts and as a matter of fact has them all arrested.
120 posted on 04/20/2002 7:13:42 AM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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