Jenin massacre uncovering

Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | April 19, 2002 8:08 | LINDA MOTTRAM

[philo]

Oh, I get it now. When people disagree with you they're illogical.

[tomahawk]

Another Jurist lie: "a third party [the Jews] who had been absent for some 2,000 years". This is pure Pal agitprop. An utter lie. A lazy lie.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

I could go on with the reality of facts, but I prefer to insult you

You had my sides splitting! Well said!

[grimalkin]

This means allowing Palestine (or at least a part of Palestine) be Palestine. That takes a lot of heat out from under the pressure cooker. If people can lead a normal life, they a far less prone to picking up a rifle and risking their lives (because life is good). If life is miserable, they have nothing else to lose.

In your opinion, the Palestinians would cease (or reduce) the number of murders if they had their own state? LOL... Well, I will tell you what I (and many others) know: These terrorists have never been interested in having their own state alongside Israel. These individuals have one goal- the complete destruction of Israel and in it's place Palestine. They have said this time and time again... it's in their media, their textbooks, geez... where isn't it? They have created their own hell by trying to destroy Israel. They have placed all their resources into annihilating Israel. As a result, they have nothing but horror to offer. Arafat is a two-bit dictator and he and his buddies are jew-hating murderers... imagine what sort of country Palestine would be with these freaks running the show. No thanks!

If life is miserable, they have nothing else to lose.

So they bomb people they don't even know? That makes no sense... MANY people live in poverty and misery and most DON'T run around blowing other people up. And what of all that money they use to purchase bombs and weapons? Why not use it to FIX things for crying out loud? The terrorists' idea of "fixing things" is to kill Israelis. The "argument" that poverty and misery cause terrorism is a cop out. Why attempt to justify the unjustifiable? Some things are just plain wrong.

[tomahawk]

You're full of it. Liar.

[johniegrad]

At least he didn't piss you off....ROFL.

[LarryLied]

Better them than us. This is why it is important to keep our distance from Israel.

[RobbyS]

Euro governments are terrified by the prospect of the threat of terror arising from their undigestible Muslim inhabitants. The French, for instance, are just now awakening from the dream --the Cosmopolitan myth--that the Algerians will ever be "French" in any meaningful sense.

[crystalk]

These were terrorists.

If you want to investigate a massacre of innocents, try Waco.

[Fee]

You may be right. A massacre may have occurred, but it has become the nature of warfare. When the Palestian leadership and their people decided to adopt a military strategy that makes Israeli civilians primary targets in order to placate their feelings and desires to strike back with any means necessary despite that their own civilian population are more vulnerable, they now reap the fruits of their own foolishness. I think the US should not criticize Israel, but rather support it with our silence because it is in our interest to do so. We should not encourage the Arab world that they can get what they want by using terrorism against civilians and assuming the victims are too soft (that is what many Arabs think of Americans) to retaliate in kind. Israel is their test case. If they can terrorize Israel into submission, the Arabs will use this tactic on our streets. Since 9/11 the Arab people's intentions and feelings have been exposed and Israel has become our front outpost against Arab terrorism.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

Well Jenin was a massacre pure and simple. The death toll will be over 1000.

The seeds of another anti-Israel, pro-terrorist "urban legend" have been planted.

[RobbyS]

If the IRA will not allow Ulster to live in peace, even though Ulster shares Ireland with a good intentioned Eire, Can one reasonably expect Hamas et al, hate to tolerate Israel?

[galt-jw]

so they killed a bunch of killers, or those who will produce them. bfd. more power to ya, baby.

[quebecois]

"the French are just now awakening from the dream...a cosmopolitan myth...that the algerians will ever be French in any meaningful sense"

1) a lot of french people never thought this myth was true to begin with. generally, they were shouted down by liberals.

2) there are several groups in the USA for whom this description accurately applies as well.

[AF68]

"Well Jenin was a massacre pure and simple. The death toll will be over 1000."

Yeah, right! You must have been talking to Miss Cleo.

[RobbyS]

Regarding #110: I think you have it exactly right.

[aruanan]

The shrill and slavering attitude of Israeli supporters, who attempt to shout down any criticism of Israel's actions. Most tellingly, the attitude they have expressed, which reinforces, rather than allays, the suspicion that this was a massacre in the planning and execution, rather than simple collateral damage.

And the human rights folks were where as the Palestinian Arab terrorists bombed and shot Israelis again and again and again? And where were they about the very fact of existence of the so-called refugee camps, there as a result of the Arab league calling on Arab citizens of Israel to flee just before they launched the attack on Israel in 1948? After the war, which they lost, the surrounding Arab nations refused to take in the people because they saw that leaving them there would provide a means of continuing their war against Israel:

"Let it therefore be known and appreciated that, in demanding the restoration of the refugees to Palestine, the Arabs intend that they shall return as the masters of the homeland, and not as slaves. More explicity: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel."--Muhammad Saleh ed-Din, Egyptian Minister for Foreign Affairs, in Al Misri, a leading Egyptian daily, October 11, 1949.

"The return of all the refugees to their homes would be secured, thereby we should of the one hand, eliminate the refugee problem, and on the other, create a large Arab majority that would serve as the most effective means of reviving the Arab character of Palestine [note: not the "Palestinian" character of Palestine], while forming a powerful fifth column for the day of revenge and reckoning." --Al-Ziyyad, a Lebanese newspaper, April 6, 1950.

"The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die."--Ralph Galloway, former director of UNRWA, in 1958.

"Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner....They have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."--King Hussein, 1960

"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees...while it is we who made them leave....We brought disaster upon...Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave....We have rendered them dispossessed....We have accustomed them to begging....We have participated in lowering their moral and social level....Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon...men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes...."--Khaled Al-Azm, his 1972 memoirs, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war.

With the exception of Ralph Galloway, all the quotes above are from Arab sources. You can find these and more, together with their documentation in a very extensive notes section, in From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine by Joan Peters, pages 20-24.

While justice should be blind, a Jurist ought not to be.

[RobbyS]

We have been ddisabled by the Civil rights leaders who grow hysterical every time they see a brown face being dominated by a white one. The irony is that it is hard to tell an Israeli from an Arab on the streets of Jerusalem if both are dressed in western clothes.

[clintonh8r]

Galloway's comment is on the mark. The Pallies are victims of Arab neglect and opportunism, not Israeli aggression. Arabs see the Pallies as subhuman...perfect weapons to be used against civilization. The Pallies are the quintessential "useful idiots."

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

This is merely a contrivance by the U.N.and it's sympathizers to create another one of it's FALSE WAR CRIMES.I hope Israel denies entry on all counts and as a matter of fact has them all arrested.