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Why Elitists Dump on the South
NEWSMAX ^ | 4/19/02

Posted on 04/19/2002 12:24:19 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

To preserve its illusion of national innocence, the United States projects its "dark" side onto the South, a Penn State geographer says.

For 10 years after his graduation from college, David R. Jansson worked in university towns – Boston; Ithaca, N.Y.; Madison, Wis.; Berkeley, Calif. – that deemed themselves "progressive" and "enlightened," i.e., left wing.

"These places had their differences," he told United Press International in a phone interview, "but one of the things I could count on was a common conception of the South, largely among people who had never been there but who had very consistent ideas about what the South meant and what it stood for. This was the standard list of negative characteristics and stereotypes."

Jansson enumerated those attributed traits in a presentation to the 98th annual meeting of Association of American Geographers in Los Angeles last month. He said that in American national discourse, "the South tends to be represented as violent, racist, poor, intolerant, xenophobic, and dim-witted, among other things."

This Bigotry Is P.C.

He told UPI that during the decade he worked before beginning graduate studies, he found that people indulged in one of the last forms of bigotry acceptable in polite society. Those who wouldn't dream of mocking other groups were comfortable making jokes about white Southerners.

Representing the South as backward endows America as a whole with the opposite qualities, he said. The vices associated by knee-jerk reaction with the South "become spatialized" and are held to be uncharacteristic of the nation.

By this means, the United States can claim to stand for the exalted principles of the Enlightenment unblemished by skeletons in its own closet. American history, Jansson told the geographers, then can be seen as "unceasing progress and selfless efforts to improve the lot of all humanity."

Southerners are often accused of being stuck in the past, but this comes in part from an external assignment from the rest of America to act as its foil, Jansson said.

Partners in Slavery

The American legend of innocence is built upon a shaky foundation, Jansson said. "Thus slavery is cast in Southern terms when it was more of a national experience than is generally acknowledged."

Citing an essay by Dan Georgakas in the 1998 book "The Meaning of Slavery in the North," Jansson told the geographers: "While most Americans have chosen to think of slavery as a regional aberration than a national phenomenon, in reality the so-called free states of the North were full partners in the viability of the slave society of the South."

Jansson said that University of Kentucky historian Joanne Pope Melish, in her 1998 book "Disowning Slavery," argues that the mythology of a free New England remains potent in academia as it does in American society as a whole. But Melish shows how even otherwise careful historians tend to date the end of slavery in the North earlier than its demise.

In his presentation, Jansson reviewed some of the salient thoughts of C. Vann Woodward (1908-1999), the eminent Yale historian of the South. Woodward's landmark work, "The Mind of the South," was published in 1969, at the height of the Vietnam War.

Jansson said Woodward viewed Southern history not as the stories in dusty old library volumes, but rather as the collective experience in which the Southern people find their distinctiveness.

"This history includes Southern poverty in the face of American abundance," Jansson said. In 1969 the United States had never "lost" a war, but the Confederacy had been defeated and occupied. Dealing with tragedy had set the South apart. The myths of innocence, omniscience and "social felicity" were not operating assumptions in Dixie.

Woodward argued that America needed the sobering influence of Southern history, "a heritage that is far more closely in line with the common lot of mankind than the national legends of opulence and success and innocence."

But Jansson concluded his presentation with the observation that the United States, even with the reverses it has suffered since 1969, remained resistant to Woodward's message. "In fact, the chasm that separates the history of America from the history of the South cannot be crossed without causing a rupture in the American national identity," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: culture; dixielist; south
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To: stainlessbanner
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61 posted on 04/19/2002 9:42:27 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: All
Does anyone have the article that discusses famous Southerners? It was posted on FR about a year ago and may have been from Lew Rockwell. The article contained prominent Southerners and their contributions over the years including BB King, Lee, Jackson, Gen Clay and many others.

It was a good article - please post if you have it. (Yes, I did search LewRockwell's archives and I couldn't find it).

Thanks! Carry on.

62 posted on 04/19/2002 9:48:29 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"These places had their differences," he told United Press International in a phone interview, "but one of the things I could count on was a common conception of the South, largely among people who had never been there but who had very consistent ideas about what the South meant and what it stood for. This was the standard list of negative characteristics and stereotypes."

Do you mean to say that these icons of progressive thought were/are PREJUDICED!!? I am SHOCKED! Shocked I tell you!

63 posted on 04/19/2002 9:56:35 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: warchild9
Roll Tide Roll!
65 posted on 04/19/2002 10:58:15 PM PDT by junta
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To: uncbob
Ironic isn't it but the stronghold of left wing anti American types is in the Northeast, Yankee land

That may be true now. But I think we Southerners and Texans should always remember that the Northeast was the birthplace of the American Revolution.

66 posted on 04/19/2002 11:10:27 PM PDT by timm22
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To: Ditto
that didn't take long....
67 posted on 04/19/2002 11:16:39 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Dan from Michigan
geez DAN...do you have to play so.....rough?
68 posted on 04/19/2002 11:18:01 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Ditto
he was a social lib....personally and otherwise.
69 posted on 04/19/2002 11:19:47 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Kennedy was a non serious president facing very serious times. He did ok but Nikita played him a bit for a boy wonder...not to mention the Bay of Pigs...

Had he not died the way he did, he'd just be a footnote.

70 posted on 04/19/2002 11:22:56 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Corin Stormhands
You could left Woodrow off that list homeboy.
71 posted on 04/19/2002 11:23:46 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Middle Man
That's because most Yankees outside of urban areas or from middle class and up have not had the experience living with blacks that Southerners have....particularly Deep South folk.
72 posted on 04/19/2002 11:25:39 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: cynicom
NYC folks are just more pushy and demanding...it's a cultural and ethnic thing....not bad per se. Southerners and a lot of Mid Western and Rocky MT folk are just not used to it.
73 posted on 04/19/2002 11:28:56 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Diddle E. Squat
LOL
74 posted on 04/19/2002 11:29:29 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Non-Sequitur
You made yer point in the previous point...no need to be mean.
75 posted on 04/19/2002 11:32:37 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: nutmeg
bump
76 posted on 04/19/2002 11:34:19 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: timm22
I think I would include Virginia in there with Mass and NY.
77 posted on 04/19/2002 11:34:30 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
Thanks, for the help ; though New Yorkers are really " pushy " .

What most here forget, is that MOST New Yorkers are transplants ; not natives. The rudest people, are the newcommers. Real, born and bred new Yorkers are friendly, helpful, and won't give you wrong directions. You'll get misdirection and rudeness from those who are trying to live up to wht they assume will make them appear REAL to the tourists.

The regionalists, on FR, who complaim that peopele " make fun " of Southerners ( when NO ONE here does ! ) , are THE primier trashers / bashers of all others; especially New Yorkers ! The steritoypical slams , incorrect information, and slurs, are all delusional and patently ridiculous !

The most segragated and biggotted city I ever lived in, was Chicago; bar none !

I NEVER , the entire time I was growing up in the Northeast, heard anyone put down the South . Where you people get that, is beyond me . I played with and went to school with negros ( they weren't called " blacks " back then ) and no one, NOT A SINGLE SOUL , was predjudiced against the other.

If it weren't for N.Y.C., there would be NO musical theatre; not anywhere . There also wouldn't have been singable / dancable music, for most of the late 19th - 20th century, without " TINPAN ALLEY ", in New York !

These silly threads only serve to Balkanize ; they are of absolutely NO help at all . There are MANY nonSouthern FREEPERS, and by continually denigrating them, you do a disservice to Conservatism and FR ! You also make nonSouthern hating " others " begin to have a rational dislike for Southerners.

78 posted on 04/20/2002 12:10:03 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG !

I left out the NOT ! New Yorkers are NOT " pushy " ! Just what is " pushy " , anyway ? That they have to suffer through tons of gawping toursts, staring up at the buildings, and halting traffic , so they walk around them grumbling ? That they don't accept shoddy products, bad service, stalled traffic, or failure without complaint ?

79 posted on 04/20/2002 1:08:23 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: wardaddy
Had he not died the way he did, he'd just be a footnote.

Hard to say. He planned to rein in the CIA and forcibly retire J. Edgar Hoover. Viet Nam would have been substanially different, and we would have reached the moon either during or right after his administration. He was trying.

Walt

80 posted on 04/20/2002 4:33:18 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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