HOT! "Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive Iraqi intelligence tied to Terry Nichols

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"Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive
Posted April 19, 2002

The following interview with ELMINA ABDUL, widow of EDWIN ANGELES, one of the cofounders of the ABU SAYYAF GROUP (ASG), and deep cover agent for the Defense Intelligence Group (DIG) of the Department of National Defense (DND), of the Republic of the Philippines, was taken on March 10, 2002, in the presence of CHRISTOPHER M. PUNO, Information Officer of the Province of Basilan, at BASCOM Hospital, in the general ward.

TRANSLATED TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH ELMINA ABDUL, WIDOW TO EDWIN ANGELES TAKEN AT BASILAN COMMUNITY HOSPITAL GENERAL WARD ISABELA CITY, PROVINCE OF BASILAN REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES BY DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT NEWS CORRESPONDENT MANILA TIMES, OMEGA NEWS SERVICE (USA)

(After introduction to ELMINA ABDUL by Provincial Information Officer Christopher Puno)

NOTE: I interviewed ELMINA in Tagalog, she answered me in Chavacano and Cebuano, two of the local dialects spoken in Basilan. She did not speak in the indigenous dialect because she knew that I do not speak or understand that dialect.

DZS: Good morning Ms. Angeles

DZS: How are you feeling this morning?

EA: Not very well.

DZS: Do you feel like talking with me?

EA: Yes, but not so long. I am tired.

DZS: I will try to be as short as possible. Did Chris tell you what I am here to talk to you about?

EA: Yes. And I am the one who asked him to look for you after I was told that you are interested in the truth about my husband.

DZS: Good. Okay. You are not Edwin's first wife, is that true?

EA: Yes. I am his third wife. For Muslim men, they can have even four wives, if each of the other ones approve.

DZS: How, when and where did you meet Edwin?

EA: We met when he was in the Provincial Jail here in Isabela, in 1995. I was then working for the government radio station, dxOS (Philippine Information Agency)/PIA.

DZS: That was after his capture?

EA: Yes.

DZS: When did you marry him?

EA: In 1997.

DZS: I am going to ask you some very sensitive questions now. Is that all right with you?

EA: Yes. I want to tell the truth of what I know of my late husband.

DZS: Did you know that he was one of those who founded the ASG, along with the late Abdurajak Abubakar Janjalani, in 1991?

EA: Yes. I know also why he was one of them.

DZS: Can you tell me why?

EA: Yes, I want to tell you why. I want now to tell the truth about my husband. I will die soon. I want you to know the truth. Will you write the truth, Mr. Sicat?

DZS: Yes. I will. I promise.

EA: You are not afraid?

DZS: More than you know, Mrs. Angeles.

EA: Good. Maybe you will stay alive and safe because of your fear. I will tell you that Edwin was ordered to do that.

DZS: Can you explain please.

EA: He was what they call a deep penetration agent or DPA.

DZS: Can you explain please?

EA: As I told you, he was given orders.

DZS: By whom?

EA: Some very powerful men in the DND.

DZS: Did he tell you why?

EA: No. Only that he was ordered to help to organize the ASG and to report all developments.

DZS: Did he tell you who it was?

EA: Not by names. But he told my only at the highest levels.

DZS: Did he ever tell you about his activities in the ASG before he met you?

EA: He told me everything. I do not believe that he would hide anything from me when we were talking alone.

DZS: Please do not be offended, but how do you know that?

EA: Not only because I was his wife, but because he knew that he would soon be killed. He wanted me to know everything so that if anything happened to him I could tell others.

DZS: Do you want to stop now?

EA: No. More water please.

DZS: Can I ask you about some things that happened back in the mid-90s? 1993, 1994?

EA: Yes. I will try to answer what you ask.

DZS: Did he ever talk to you about meetings with Arabs or Americans?

EA: Yes, once he had met with some Arabs and Americans in 1994, in Davao (City), or General Santos (City).

DZS: Did he tell you who they were?

EA: Does the name Ramsey Yousef mean something to you Mr. Sicat?

DZS: Ahmad Hassim. Does that mean something to you?

EA: He had met with them. And an American who he called Terry or the Farmer, and another American whom he did not name.

DZS: Was the American he named as Terry, Terry Nichols?

EA: He did not mention the surname. Only Terry.

DZS: Did he tell you why and how many times they had met?

EA: They met almost every day for one week. They met in an empty bodega (warehouse). They talked about bombings. They mentioned bombing government buildings in San Francisco, Saint Louis and in Oklahoma. The Americans wanted instructions how to make and to explode bombs. He (Edwin) told me that Janjalani was very interested in paying them much money to explode the buildings. The money was coming from Yousef and the other Arab.

DZS: Did he tell you when the bombs would explode; when they exploded?

EA: He told me that the Americans exploded one bomb in Oklahoma in 1995, after he was arrested and after we first met.

DZS: Did he ever tell you who was supplying the money for the bombing of the building, I mean who Yousef was working with or for?

EA: Mr. Sicat, you are the mediaman. Do you not know that Yousef was representing Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Do you not know that?

DZS: Did Edwin tell you that?

EA: Not only Edwin, but others that were close to us, before he was killed. One time, a soldier (Philippine Army) and Edwin were talking secretly. I was there because Edwin demanded. The soldier ordered Edwin never to tell anybody about the Iraqis.

DZS: Did you ever see that soldier before or after that time?

EA: Only two times before. He was the one who would talk to him for information.

DZS: Mrs. Angeles, do you know who killed your husband, Edwin?

EA: The ones who used him and then betrayed him, Mr. Sicat. (She grows visibly weaker). I want to rest now.

DZS: I understand. I'll let you rest now. Thank you so much, Mrs. Angeles. You have told me so much. I will try to see you tomorrow if you are up to it.

NOTE: I was not able to speak with ELMINA again. She became too weak and incoherent the following day. A few days later, the doctors had diagnosed that she was terminal. She needed to be transferred to Davao City to the Regional Hospital (government) for treatment. A few days later, while I was in Davao, arranging for her admission to the Regional Hospital, Chris told me that she could no longer be moved. She would die in transit. Since Muslims require burial within 24 hours of death, I understood the reasoning. The following day, Chris contacted me that ELMINA ABDUL, widow to EDWIN ANGELES (killed by unknown assailants in 1998), died in the pre-dawn hours Saturday March 30. She was the last one to talk with her husband before he was killed. I was the last and only reporter to talk with her about her husband before she died.

(sgd) DORIAN ZUMEL SICAT
News Correspondent
Manila Times /Omega News Service (USA)
Investigative Liaison to Law Office of John Michael Johnston
Robert Bickel, Sr.
Senior Investigator and Legal Analyst

Law offices of John Michael Johnston
Elmina Abdul Angeles Statement

[philman_36]

Thankfully you're starting to come through with something.
I've been coming through with something. I can't say the same for you. Like I said...lip service!

[philman_36]

In these threads, most just insult me for a while...
Oh, but you wouldn't insult others, right? You're so much more righteous than the other guy.
And my name is Phil. I'm not "most", groupee.

[ctdonath2]

I see plenty of structures still standing.

But those structures were some distance from the blast (not a dozen or so feet) and are likely hardened (being part of an industrial complex), and many other structures are no longer there.

A little after 9:00 a.m. ... A great column of smoke shot up an estimated two thousand feet, followed in about ten seconds by another, and even more violent shockwave. ... As entire buildings collapsed, trapping people inside, fires quickly spread to the refineries that made up the Texas City industrial complex. @

The concussion of the explosion, felt as far away as Port Arthur, damaged or destroyed at least 1,000 residences and buildings throughout Texas City.@

And the Grandcamps was right alongside the dock

I recalled it being towed once on fire; further checks show apparently not (my bad, but does not seriously undo my thesis). Do consider the distance of effect and force of the blast from there.

the shockwave caused a displacement of the water in the harbor and created a small tidal wave that washed inland over one hundred and fifty feet@

Pedestrians were knocked down ten miles away in Galveston! People 150 miles away heard the sound. Two airplanes were blown out of the sky. @

Note also that while the Grandcamp was near a building, that building was relatively short and small. The severe damage extended far beyond that building (see reference above to 1000 buildings damaged).

The High Flyer was moved.

The ship SS High Flyer, in dock for repairs and also carrying ammonium nitrate, was ignited by the first explosion; it was towed 100 feet from the docks@

Dipole Might tests

Interesting sounding, and likely exactly the data we need to see. Unfortunately, the FBI is unlikely to share it with us.

FWIW, the Grandcamp explosion:

Now: scale all that down to about 2 tons of ANFO specifically produced and arranged (as contrasted with AN accidentally detonated with little or no FO) to take out a few support columns of a medium-sized building just a few feet away. The scaling make sense to me; I'd like to understand why it doesn't make sense to you.

[philman_36]

But those structures were some distance from the blast (not a dozen or so feet) and are likely hardened (being part of an industrial complex), and many other structures are no longer there.
But the blast was so "expansive"! According to your previous attitude it shouldn't have mattered how far away they were because it was such a large amount that exploded. According to your thinking everything should have been destroyed, hardened or not.
I'd like to understand why it doesn't make sense to you.
Just what do you think the Murrah building was? Softened? The place was built to withstand tornadoes and earthquakes! You've already partially stated why and don't even realize it apparently.
You do realize what a "hardened structure" is don't you?
You're cracking me up here...

[ctdonath2]

According to your thinking everything should have been destroyed, hardened or not.

Of course not. Even in Hiroshoma at Ground Zero there were structures standing.

Contrast the widespread devestation of TC with only part of the Murrah building being destroyed despite the blast being maybe 15 feet away.

[philman_36]

Contrast the widespread devestation of TC with only part of the Murrah building being destroyed despite the blast being maybe 15 feet away.
Okay, I've been contrasting, now what? You say even at Hiroshoma there were structures standing.
So, you believe a simple, low yield explosive like an ANFO explosive could do something that not even an atomic detonation could accomplish, no matter how close it was.
You continue to amaze me...
And you've not answered as to whether or not you know what a "hardened structure" even is, which is a very critical thing.

[verity]

Your #18.

You must not disparage the Grassy Knoll Society while it is enjoying an orgasmic moment.:~).

[philman_36]

Contrast the widespread devestation of TC with only part of the Murrah building being destroyed despite the blast being maybe 15 feet away.
And why all the harping about "15 ft away"? Is that to indicate/emphasize a specific thing? Shouldn't the buildings on the other side of the street from the Murrah building have been just as damaged, yet aren't?

Small Businesses in OKC Area Struggle to Rebuild
The Oklahoma City office of Trader Publishing Company, which publishes four magazines - Auto Trader, Truck Trader, Bargain Post, and Boat, Bike, and RV Trader, was unable to print some of its magazines after its printer's building was damaged in the blast. The Journal Record, located directly across the street from the Murrah Federal Building, was in the process of printing Auto Trader and Truck Trader when the bomb exploded.
Damaged, not destroyed, at ?60 ft? away and the interior columns being blown apart were that far away too? Or is this where the "gravity induced collapse" is supposed to come in?
Again, your argument doesn't appear to hold water.

[philman_36]

You must not disparage the Grassy Knoll Society while it is enjoying an orgasmic moment.:~).
You must not disparage the Single Bullet Theory Society while it is enjoying an orgasmic moment either.
Very crude verity and beneath you.

[AtticusX]

FYI.... Khobar Towers bombing photos

[philman_36]

In these threads, most just insult me for a while for challenging their "it MUST have been the feds" nonsense, then run when pressed for evidence.
Looks like the shoe is on your foot. You've insulted me for a while for challenging your "single bomb" theory, then ran when presented with a compelling argument.

[ctdonath2]

Can we lay off the insults and get to swapping facts? My latest posts HAVE been considerations of evidence, and I made a point of avoiding continuation of the insults.

Consider the images in #170 - again, a truckload of something takes down _part_ of a building. Bigger truck = more damage.

[ctdonath2]

And why all the harping about "15 ft away"? Is that to indicate/emphasize a specific thing? Shouldn't the buildings on the other side of the street from the Murrah building have been just as damaged, yet aren't?

Apparently you're not familiar with the "inverse square law". Blast force at 60 feet is 1/16th the force at 15 feet. The buildings across the street WERE severely damaged, though obviously less so (but still enough to require razing the buildings) than the Murrah building - in proper accordance with the inverse square law. Had the Murrah blast(s) actually been from closer or contact explosives (as many claim) there would have been far less damage to other buildings than that actually sustained. IIRC, windows were shattered up to 1 mile away - damage consistent with a large open-air blast.

[ctdonath2]

Thanks. I had briefly forgotten about those photos. Answers the "did it happen before?" question.

[ctdonath2]

the interior columns being blown apart were that far away too? Or is this where the "gravity induced collapse" is supposed to come in?

Support columns are built for vertical force, not a horizontal impulse. Sufficiently damage just a few of those, and there's not enough to hold up the upper floors, and gravity does the rest.

Add to that the upwards force inflicted on the above floors, lifting them slightly then dropping them on the damaged/dislocated support columns. The columns are built to support floors _set_ on them, not _dropped_ on them. We saw the result of dropped floors at WTC 9/11.

Have someone knock your feet out from under you, and tell me what happens.

[ctdonath2]

Again, your argument doesn't appear to hold water.

I'd like to hear your argument. As I repeatedly asked Doc (who was quite verbal yet never answered the question): how much ANFO _would_ be required to cause that damage?

[ctdonath2]

Bickering with the Grassy Knoll Society helps me refine my arguments. I know they're probably not going to pay much attention to basic physics.

[ctdonath2]

Hiroshoma: most buildings flattened. A few structures stand, with severe damage. Intentional high-yeild blast from a distance.
Texas City: 1000 buildings destroyed or damaged. Accidental blast, material detonated far from optimal, varying distances from dozens to thousands of feet.
Khobar Towers: 1 building seriously damaged (entire side removed). Intentional medium/low-yeild truck-delivered blast from dozens of feet.
WTC Garage: 1 building seriously damaged (several stories demolished). Intentional medium/low-yeild truck-delivered blast within dozen feet.
Murrah Building: 3-5 buildings seriously damaged (1/3rd of Murrah demolished). Intentional medium/low-yeild truck-delivered blast at dozen feet.

[philman_36]

Can we lay off the insults {Bickering with the Grassy Knoll Society helps me refine my arguments.} and get to swapping facts?
I'll lay off the insults when you and verity do "Single Bullet". Do you think the rest of the thread's replies are ignored?
You don't present too many facts with which to swap. All you've presented is information I already knew about from TC. You seem to offer opinions about OKC and demand information while presenting none or very little yourself.
I've seen you present few facts about OKC which might persuade me that there was only one ANFO bomb and nothing more that could do the damage that occurred. You show me the stats that prove it can happen, I can't seem to find anything and I'm good at searching IMOwnO.
Blast force at 60 feet is 1/16th the force at 15 feet.
I'm familiar with it. If you go back and read the report by the Major above you'll see that he notes...Many major roads in developed nations have tough, compacted subgrades with thick concrete and/or asphalt surfaces. Such roads are nearly impenetrable when using conventional military shaped charges. Tough, modern roads may require extensive preparatory work for conventional crater creation using explosives and construction equipment.
How come these columns are still standing?


The evidence linked the defendants to the purchase of chemicals and hydrogen tanks used to manufacture the bomb, to the rental of the shed to warehouse the chemicals and later the bomb, and the rental of the van that contained the bomb.
Truck parked right next to a column, though built differently than OKC, and it didn't even bend the metal. And this is in an enclosed area, not on an open street, which should enhance the damage. It was made different though. Hydrogen and chemicals?
Then why all the damage to the interior columns? If the force of the blast diminishes as distance increases the interioir columns should have withstood the blast.
The buildings across the street WERE severely damaged, though obviously less so (but still enough to require razing the buildings) than the Murrah building - in proper accordance with the inverse square law.
I was unaware that other buildings were razed due to damage. Which ones besides the federal building were razed?
Add to that the upwards force inflicted on the above floors, lifting them slightly then dropping them on the damaged/dislocated support columns.
Now you're back to giving the "ANFO" bomb properties and characteristics counter to the inverse square law and counting on gravity to do the rest of the damage. And how can it "lift" what is affixed?
Exactly how is it supposed to have damaged the "above" floors when it drops off so much at distance? And the exterior surface should absorb much of the damage, not going many feet into the building.
Lifting floors?
We saw the result of dropped floors at WTC 9/11.
A whole different story and a whole new set of circumstances, just like the other time at WTC. Don't switch the subject please. Let's stick to the ones we already have.

[breakem]

I have a free copy of Gore Vidal's "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace." I will mail it at my expense to the first person to freepmail me their address. All I ask is that you pass it along when you are done.