Gun-rights groups oppose police exemption

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, April 19, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

[45Auto]

Either the damn Bill of Rights, including the 2nd, applies equally to all citizens, or they don't; in the latter case, at least we will be able to clearly choose up sides in the coming unpleasentness. We'll see just how much the 14th's equal protection clause is worth.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Idiots like Shamaya [who is he anyway] with their all or nothing attitude, really hurt those that truely believe in the 2nd amed. Was he ever heard of "nose of the camel"?

When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.

Let me paraphase from your line. "Idots like bybybill" who have not studied nor researched, nor been involved in this second amendment battle like Angel need to check the record before you insert you foot sock, shoe, and leg.

When you study the results of CCW by 4.5 million citizens the benefit is 99.999 percent benefit to the holder of the firearm. No JOE PUBLIC standing next to this LEO with CCW.

Bybybill you just got to get a life. First of all the only crime this off duty officer is going to stop is crime against him! Not crime against you and I.

Bybybill babybill you got to wake up and smell the coffee and get back under the rock you hide under..

If you want to talk issues, even I can handle your arguement, you see I know Angel and you can't hold a candle to Angel.

Son of the American Revolution

The Chicago Farmer

[EBUCK]

"Just imagine the deterrent to crime if more than 1 million trained and equipped law enforcement professionals – active and retired – were allowed to be armed so they could utilize their skills," he said.

Just imagine the deterent to crime if more than 150 million trained and equiped citizens, active and retired - were allowed to be armed so that they could utilize their skills!! Whoa Nelly, who do I rob when everyone right down to that little 'ol lady could be , and probably is, packin?

EBUCK

[teeman8r]

perhaps the argument after the bill is law can be the equal protection under the law for all to carry... perhaps to dream,,,

[Dan from Michigan]

LOL. That's a slam there.

What has Angel Shamaya done for us..nothing....only helped us fight against the gun grabbing doctors by helping out "Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws" and has a website that broke the story about the fraud that the MMM'ers did.

I don't care much for all or nothing's either. But this here is a loss.

Many times the big crucial 'swing vote' on gun issues is Law Enforcement. The LEO leaders are all ASD'ers and elitists. The rank and file are more apt to back us. I'd say 60% of the cops are our friends, and those that are our friends are usually the first to back us.

Now if LEO's DON'T get this bill, MAYBE they can back national reciprocality(SP). That's what the NRA is fighting for. I support the incrementalism method they use too. The problem is this. If LEO's get special rights now, they damn well won't go to bat for us. I don't see them pushing for 15 round magazines to be legal again.

Hell, Blagojevich backs this. Nuff said.

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - I wouldn't call Shamaya an "All or nothinger' either. He's hardline, but outside of his NRA rants, usually is right.

[Don Myers]

"When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us."

Are you sure about that?

[Don Myers]

"If I thought that the cops would turn around and help us once they "got theirs," then I might support this."

They wouldn't. I think that too many cops do have an elitist attitude.

[Don Myers]

""The NRA is for the bill---good enough for me""

That is like saying, anything the GOP is for is good enough for me.

[Centurion2000]

But suppose the bill also extended the exemption to include any citizen who has passed suitable training. And honorably discharged veterans, and current members of the armed forces

But it wont .... although if it did it would do two things. Scare the bejezus out of politicians when they realize how many armed veterans would be out there, and divide us further down.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The point would be that by a reasonably doable process, any citizen (with exception of those deemed guilty of a "felony" by state or by Federal law) could get this status. And poof, the state shackles are gone.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Just got back from vacation again and read your note:

Hey guys smell the coffe. If LEO's want CCW let suggest teh 1 million LEO's gain the support of 4.5 million NRA and 60 million gun owners and pass this CCW thing.

I have seen this inability of splinter groups fight one another on the 2nd issue. Michigan has it right, band togather and defeat the gun grabbers.

I am the first to reconize the vast majority of LEO's are with us, don't get me wrong, years of corporate horse trading, experience tells me unless it is in writing, Once a major group like LEO's have what they want the majority off LEO's will NOT give a damn about the other 60 million gun owners.

This if it good enought for NRA its good enought for me tells me it time to dig deeper aand look at the details for those that follow this issue.

Teamwork wins, Teamwork wins.