[Phil V.]

fyi

[luvzhottea]

I think the blowback from this is going to be terrible.
What is the worst thing is the lopsided support of Israel, extorted through lobbyists and hardball political blackmail, has caused us terrible damage to our reputation as an honest broker. Too many mistakenly think that America is waging war against them by proxy Israel. They do not understand the nature of power politics and AIPAC and ADL lobbying to name but two.

[Lancey Howard]

War is terrible - but there are rules. Did Israel observe them?

LMBO !!!
Sure, hahahaha, Israel should "observe the rules" as much as your typical Palestinian bomber who takes out a pizza joint or a wedding reception. Another journalistic masterpiece from the euro-scum, hahaha.

[Lancey Howard]

When non-combatants die, that is not proof that their killers broke the law, but the onus is on the attackers to show that they tried to spare civilians

Wow, this piece is chock full of nuggets like this, lol. What planet do these writers come from? Can you just see one of these pathetic mice asking a terrorist if he can prove that he "tried to spare civilians"?

Anyways, GO ISRAEL ! Finish the job.

[DieselBoy]

Israel will never commit war crimes, because they remember how it was in the Hollocaust. All of these journalists who even flirt with the idea that Israel commited war crimes should be taken out and beat.

[Demidog]

The army says the dead were left for so long because Palestinians refused to gather them, "for propaganda purposes", a brigadier told Haaretz. A Palestinian doctor seethes with rage. "We could not leave our homes and the army refused to let any medic, Palestinian or foreign, into the camp for five days. How on earth could we remove them?"

"Leave your homes and we'll shoot you. We're fighting terrorism"

"Filthy Palestinians! They're leaving the bodies there for propaganda purposes!"

[Liberty2112]

The title of the first article, "Under the rubble of the refugee camp"
is bogus in itself.

I bet true refugees throughout the world would love
a camp made up of apartment buildings, homes and businesses.

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

There was no massacre at Jenin.

[medved]

Hate to disillusion anybody but, 60 years after the fact, there is no such thing as a "refugee camp"; only concentration camps and, in this case, the guy doing the concentrating is named Arafat. At least, Arafat's been the guy in charge; anybody claiming that Israelis arekeeping people in "refugee camps" inside the palestinian authority zones? I mean, it appears that the main thing these people require refuge from is the logical consequences of their own gross conduct.

[American in Israel]

Isn't it funny how with 3 to 1 Israeli's in this small country, all you hear is interviews with "human rights activists, Journalists and Palestinians. It is like the Jews do not exist! But, with luck on Freeper I was able to find a short piece from an Israeli:

Major Zangen said that four of the Israeli dead in Jenin were medical officers, killed while treating the wounded. He described how a six-year-old boy ran towards soldiers carrying a bag that turned out to contain a booby trap, and said that Palestinian fighters used an elderly man and a woman as human shields during the street fighting.

"And people think we are the ones who are killing the innocent," he said. "We sacrificed our own soldiers to prevent, as much as possible, damage to civilians."

Funny how the Palestinians cry foul about the lack of medics, when just a week ago the red cresent society (Palestinian ambulance corp) were complaining that the PLO was firing on them to keep them from picking up the bodies. They depend on very short term memory don't they? Israel tried to do house to house searches and arrests here, after announcing to the world and the town 24 hours in advance that the civilians needed to leave. Now the media is repeating the Palestinians saying "we were trapped in the town, we could not leave". What is with this? Do they believe that repeating a lie erases history?

Then we got to hear 5 days of "hundreds of dead rotting in the streets!", till the media went in and found 2 for the cameras. Now it is a slaughter against...buildings. All the while the media drones a humanitarian disaster beyond belief! A "refugee camp", full of multi story stone buildings? How many Americans can afford brick houses? Sheesh. What a joke!

The media whine about how the Palestinians are going to get even more enraged and kill more Jews, but strangely, the only ones whipping up the rage ARE the media. You want the Palestinians to be free quicker, you want less death, release reporting, not retoric. But then the millions of dollars of TV time would not be generated. Why the whole media industry over here would dry up and blow away. That would be a humanitarian disaster that would release a plague of leftist reporters to spread around the world! That my friends, is a human disaster of epic proportions.

[goldstategop]

Bunk. Israel's assault on Jenin looks terrible on TV to be sure but its a model of restraint in comparison to other modern wars. No one remembers the Russian Army's razing Grozny completely off the face of the face of the earth. And Israel did not engage in ethnic cleasing. It was a precise and surgical operation. The civilian population survived unscathed. It's already forgotten by the presstitutes, but Israel would never have gone into Jenin had the PLO not been using it as a base to carry out suicide bombings in Israel. Arafat was warned repeatedly to collect arms and dismantle terrorist organizations. As it turned out he actually headed the entire terror infrastructure terrorizing Israel day and night. The people of Jenin's complaints about their suffering are misplaced and sheer chutzpah. When you shelter terrorists in your midst, you should expect to pay the price. Israel committed no war crime but sought to defend its homeland and people from assault by terrorists. Even President Bush finally appreciated Israel's need to finish the job. Hopefully the Israeli army will not need to repeat its operation in the future and this will serve as an instructive lesson to the local population on what is required from it to avoid similar suffering in the future.

[MeekOneGOP]

Gee, I could say that the Palestinian suicide HOMICIDE bombers aren't people but are more like wild animals,
but that would be a high insult to animals everywhere...........

Chairman Arafat
Mark Steyn Link Excerpt:

Just as revealing was the reaction from the European media. In the American press, you read things like: "An observer to the bomb-blast scene described a dead young girl, perhaps 10 or 12, lying on the ground with her eyes open, looking as if she was surprised." For Europe, on the other hand, the main significance of this development was that it was "unhelpful" to the "peace process". Before I'm accused of being more upset about dead Jewish than dead Muslim kids, let me say that I take people at their own estimation: in the Palestinian Authority schools, they teach their children about the glories of martyrdom; indeed, the careers guidance counsellor appears to have little information on alternative employment prospects; at social events, the moppets are dressed up as junior jihadi, with toy detonators and play bombs. It's not that I place less value on Palestinian lives, but that Chairman Arafat and his chums in Hamas do. So does Saddam Hussein, whose government (the subject of an admiring article in this week's Spectator) gives $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber. So does the Arab League, which at last year's summit passed a resolution hailing the "spirit of sacrifice" of the Palestinian "martyrs" and thus licensed Wednesday's massacre. As for the "peace process", those Europeans who, just a few months ago, were urging the Americans to cease operations for Ramadan evidently feel no compunction to demand from Chairman Arafat and his dark subsidiaries any similar "bombing pause" for Passover.

In the days after September 11, we were told that Muslims had great respect for their fellow "people of the book" - ie, Jews and Christians. This ought to be so: after all, the dramatis personae of the Koran include Abraham, Moses, David, John the Baptist, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. It's one thing to believe that the Israelis are occupiers and oppressors and that the Zionist state should not exist. But no Muslim with any understanding of his shared heritage could in good conscience blow up a Passover Seder. It marks a new low in the Palestinians' descent into nihilism - though, as usual, the silence of the imams is deafening. As for the nonchalance of the Europeans, that too should not surprise us: in my experience, the Continent's Christians, practising and nominal, find the ceremonies of Jewish life faintly creepy, notwithstanding that these were also the rituals by which their own Saviour lived.

But this year, when the Christians' solar calendar and the Jews' lunar calendar have coincided and Easter and Passover fall together, it's a safe bet that George W Bush will make the connection. The first time I ever heard him speak, he spoke openly about his faith and about Christ in a way that would be unimaginable for a British politician. He will know all the details - "the baby tried to crawl away, but it died, too".......................

[MeekOneGOP]

[MeekOneGOP]

Mark Steyn Link

[Lady Jag]

[My Identity]

For a dose of truth:
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part I http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668601/posts Non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence	Steyn: The UN is running out of blind eyes to turn http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669411/posts Interesting link on UN backpedaling
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part II http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669632/posts Palestinians drop their hyped-up "massacre" charges	The Massacre That Never Was http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668572/posts The testimony of pathological liars
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part III http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672189/posts Jimmy Carter, Mr. Middle East Fiasco, has an opinion	There was No Massacre in Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668650/posts The Elite, The Paid, The Gullible all accept Pali lies
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part IV http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672160/posts Yet more non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence	NY POST: THE MASSACRE THAT WASN'T http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/667529/posts Peres: There wasn't a house that wasn't booby-trapped
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part V http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673145/posts The Pali's contradict themselves and blame it on Israel	Steyn: It's time to snap out of Arab fantasy land http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669063/posts Some great Oriana Fallaci quotes/links as well
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part VI http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/678521/posts Pali grave digging and UN jury rigging	Jenin's 'Massacre' Death Toll Reduced to 56 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675752/posts Say it slow: Israelis told the truth, Palis told lies
An interesting juxtaposition of tales:
Message From An Israeli On The Front Lines http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673234/posts "Entire families exploded themselves! It was horrific."	Palestinian Fighter admits: No Massacre in Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671903/posts 2,000 bombs and booby-traps placed in the camp
Pediatrician: terrorists used children in Jenin camp http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670962/posts Doc: IDF did everything possible to avoid civilian harm	Palestinians Booby-Trap Wheelchair in Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670810/posts NOTE: The wheelchair was occupied!!
Jenin War Diary of a Hasidic Soldier - Part I http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672951/posts Israeli citizen-soldier describes what went on in Jenin	Massacre Claims Unsupported by Pali Fighters http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675129/posts Pali eyewitnesses all support the Israeli version
Jenin War Diary of a Hasidic Soldier - Part II http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/678298/posts There is no army as humane as the IDF	Palestinian fighter's version of the Jenin battle http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672896/posts Pali Plan: Trap Israeli soldiers, then blow them up
Yellow Journalism: Sensationalism, Yes!   Truth, No!
How the L.A. Times and CNN Distorted Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/681552/posts First, you start with an agenda...	Jenin: The Big Lie. Fighting the Media War http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/667296/posts World media falls for Goebbels's 'Big Lie' ... Again
The Media and 'The Massacre' http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668719/posts Quick to report fantasy, slow to correct errors	Atrocities of the British Press http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669206/posts Huge amounts of ink devoted to unverified Pali tales
Reporters Back Down From 'Massacre' Reports http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668509/posts World press forced to face the truth: No Massacre	The Big Jenin Lie http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/679694/posts Putrid Pali Propaganda Promptly Panned - GO FR!
We're from the UN.   We're Here to Help.
The Overseers of Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675737/posts Camps run by UN are centers for terror bombings	U.N.'s Point Man In Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673541/posts Arafat's militia gangs rely on Mr. Roed-Larsen
Guilty Until Proven Guilty http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675043/posts Surprise! The UN has a not-so-hidden agenda	The Jenin Probe Ends http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675737/posts UN unhappy about Israel's possible exhoneration
And so, in conclusion:
The 'Jenin Massacre' Hoax http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/677148/posts Living in a world of monstrous moral inversion	The Phantom Massacre http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672761/posts War Crimes in Jenin were committed by the Palis
Terrorists admit they carried out atrocities http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/679306/posts Fanatics brutalize women, children, old men	Jenin's War Criminals http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/675340/posts What the Palestinians did was the real war crime