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SKYSCRAPER CRASH IN MILAN ITALY
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Posted on 04/18/2002 9:06:38 AM PDT by Bommer

Just reported that a small engine plane crashed into a Skyscraper in Milan Italy


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To: Delbert
make that "incidents" not "innocents" - and yes I did proofread....poorly
1,101 posted on 04/18/2002 1:43:49 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: texasbluebell
I have friends who moved to the U.S. from Calabria, Italy about 10 years ago. Their parents still live there and have a business. They always spoke of how wonderful and beautiful it "was" in Calabria. They told stories about the "gypsies" who were ruining their country. At the time I knew that these gypsies were muslims, but I just thought that every country has it's prejudices.

I spoke with them after 9/11, and they were not surprised that the people involved were muslims. They said that in their experiences with them in Italy, they were a hateful group of people.

1,102 posted on 04/18/2002 1:45:09 PM PDT by all4one
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To: texlok
Well??? Why are you holding out on us? If you know that today's accident was actually mass murder, why aren't you telling us the who/what/when/where/how?????

Listen you stupid jackass, you referenced 9/11 in comparison to previous airline accidents and that is what I was responding towards. You understand that 9/11 was murder right? And it doesnt compare to an accident right? Thanks ass.

1,103 posted on 04/18/2002 1:45:58 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: texlok
Maybe that was just luck because most airports aren't in the middle of a bunch of skyscrapers (except Hong Kong), who knows. The only thing we know, is a plane crashed into a building and people are dead. To spin these elaborate multiple-gunmen on the grassy-knoll theories sounds quite silly.

What in the world are you talking about? There are dozens upon dozens of airports in urban areas that are close enough to downtowns to where someone could say, when one hits a skyscraper, "Oh, they must have been trying to get to the airport."

1,104 posted on 04/18/2002 1:46:41 PM PDT by Hotspur
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To: Delbert
They dont hijack old mens planes at random for the hell of it without inflicting catastrophic damage. This compared to 9/11 was a fender bender.

Maybe, but 9/11 was the mother of all damage. I'd say this one was very major in terms of damage. It did more damage than the 1993 Trade Center bombing, for one.

1,106 posted on 04/18/2002 1:49:37 PM PDT by Hotspur
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To: all4one
What you said reminds me of a young 20ish French woman I used to know. About 10 years ago, she was complaining bitterly to me about the people in her home town of Lyon who were causing so much trouble, so many attacks etc. on the townspeople, and I assumed (wrongly) at the time that she was just prejudiced against those poor poor moslems who had come to France for a better life. I know better today.
1,107 posted on 04/18/2002 1:49:38 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texlok
No, your right, they just crashed into the ground, into mountains, into houses, etc.

The ground takes up a whole lot more of the possible directions than a single building, and the gravitational pull makes it that much hard to miss when the plane stops flying properly.
Mountains are a whole lot bigger than all the skyscrapers in a city.
A large percentage of the ground around airports is covered with houses.
Skyscrapers, on the other hand, take up only a miniscule fraction of the spaces that a plane could possibly fly into.

Maybe that was just luck because most airports aren't in the middle of a bunch of skyscrapers

Ya think?

The only thing we know, is a plane crashed into a building and people are dead. To spin these elaborate multiple-gunmen on the grassy-knoll theories sounds quite silly.

Well, considering all the airplane-flying-into-a-skyscraper-on-a-clear-day instances EVER, ALL of them have been the work of terrorists or their sympathizers. Considering the square-on hit of today's crash, assuming terrorism is a statistical likelyhood, not a "grassy-knoll theory".

1,108 posted on 04/18/2002 1:50:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
But I see no one trying to get facts, I see conjecture and fantasy in spite of the official declaration that it was an accident, you guys still decided to put a hostage taker in the cockpit with the poor old man, slash his throat and crash the plane into the building. But I respect your feelins about the loss of life and obvious concern. My wisecracks as you called them at no time were directed against anyone directly affected by this incident, it was directed at the snowball effect of the Mass Hysteria. chiiillllll
1,109 posted on 04/18/2002 1:50:53 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: kaylar
Good heavens ! Thats incredible .. After reading your reply I am stunned . I was thinking of the lady who was depressed and was holding up traffic . She finally did jump as the backed up traffic encouraged her to do so . This was about 1 year ago . I wont mention names in public as its a matter of record , but some of the freepers who agreed with the onlookers are posting here on this thread . Good news to hear that the Jock went up the river !
1,110 posted on 04/18/2002 1:52:14 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
the [Vatican] is HUGE and can't be missed.

Awright, so that's not a good theory. I'll still go with "smashing economic buildings screws things up, but smashing holy sites just annoys people" theory.

1,111 posted on 04/18/2002 1:52:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Delbert
They do if

Name ONE instance of spontanious autopilot crashing a plane into a skyscraper.

1,112 posted on 04/18/2002 1:54:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: PuNcH
Listen you stupid jackass, you referenced 9/11 in comparison to previous airline accidents and that is what I was responding towards. You understand that 9/11 was murder right?

This is what I said : Before 9/11, people would have been like "poor pilot" and then moved on with their lives..

Now what that means, is that if this guy had died/crashed before 9/11, people would have said "poor pilot" and then moved on with their lives. I'm sorry I didn't state it clear enough. From now on, I'll make a special effort to make things even more clear for you

btw, how old are you? Your failure to understand a simple statement that I made, and then following that up by calling me a "stupid jackass" makes me wonder if your even old enough to vote.

1,113 posted on 04/18/2002 1:55:00 PM PDT by texlok
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To: texlok
"I do indeed find it amusing that there are so many chicken littles cowering under their beds and desks screaming that the sky is falling" = Most I read are not doing that but trying to get questions answered or information posted. Some are speculating - but that's what FReepers do.

We are in a War. The World is at War, whether we like it or acknowledge it or not.

I know there is gallows humor - but your comments and those of some others just did not seem appropriate. I'll try to gather information elsewhere. Thanks for the apology. And you can help it it you try.

1,114 posted on 04/18/2002 1:55:09 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: texasbluebell
The sources I've seen has France at 8% ; Italy and Spain at 13% (projected to be 51% by 2040); Denmark and the more northerly EU states around 5%.The entire EU is proijected to reach 51% at 2100 or so.

That could change IF the EU were to suddenly deport all of 'em and start breeding like crazy-say, 5-10 kids for every native European woman.I don't see that happening.

1,115 posted on 04/18/2002 2:00:19 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: Delbert
But I see no one trying to get facts, I see conjecture and fantasy in spite of the official declaration that it was an accident, you guys still decided to put a hostage taker in the cockpit with the poor old man, slash his throat and crash the plane into the building. But I respect your feelins about the loss of life and obvious concern. My wisecracks as you called them at no time were directed against anyone directly affected by this incident, it was directed at the snowball effect of the Mass Hysteria. chiiillllll

You're hard to take seriously when you chastise people for "not getting facts" and in the next clause claim that there's been an "official declaration" that this was an accident.

Of course, there's been no such thing. There have been some officials who've hypothesized that it was an accident, but that's light years away from an "official declaration."

I'm one of the least hysterical people around, but there's no question that far and away the most logical explanation of this, as we sit here now, is some sort of deliberate attack on the building. For a whole host of reasons, many of which have been discussed here.

It strains credulity--dramatically--that an experienced pilot would have run his plane into a building filled with his countryman at straight-and-level flight, and hit it the spot that a terrorist could rightly call "bulls-eye," unless he was intentionally trying to do so. Had the plane truly been out of control to a point where the pilot couldn't have avoided the building, the odds of it hitting the building at that wing angle, in that spot are one in a million. If the plane were out of control, you'd have seen some evidence of it before it hit the building. But there appears to have been no spin, no deviation from path, in short, really nothing to support the proposition that the plane was in fact out of control.

Those are the real facts. You should take a look at them before you wildly accuse people of being what they aren't.

1,116 posted on 04/18/2002 2:01:05 PM PDT by Hotspur
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To: Delbert
Well, the thread is over 1000 posts long incluidng many comments from people who said to please keep them informed. And I can tell you that others are "cube-isolated" or otherwise isolated from access to news reports and depend on FR "info-threads" to gather facts as events unfold.

So this thread is definitely an info-thread for me. I usually skip over silly comments and don't care about them. But it was just getting them again and again from you and texlok and the ElizabethinCincy person - well - they just hit me wrong and I commented about it. Enough said. Go ahead and have fun.

Most people who post on FR are not in a panic and are not in a mass frenzy at all. Some can get that way - of course. But, again, we ARE IN A WAR - an unconventional war - but a WAR. Anything like what happened today in Milan is a legitimate object of concern and certainly a legitimate reason to seek facts.

As we have seen in event after event after event in this country, often the first "facts" coming out are wrong. It takes time to get to the truth.

That's why FR is so invaluable. We get facts here that can't be gathered anywhere - not by the "general public." Again, enough said. Sorry for this interlude. I'll gather facts elsewhere.

1,117 posted on 04/18/2002 2:02:23 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I know there is gallows humor - but your comments and those of some others just did not seem appropriate

I know, I know, but I just cannot help it. Taking three facts : a smoking plane sending out distress calls, a plane crashing into a buildling, and people dying, and spinning that into an elaborate OBL/Hussein/whoever terrorist conspiracy, it's just crazy.

1,119 posted on 04/18/2002 2:03:19 PM PDT by texlok
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Just for information's sake... A Warning was issued this month in italy... It was issued by the state department.. check this thread
1,120 posted on 04/18/2002 2:05:00 PM PDT by PureSolace
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