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To: FF578
Texas rejected the 14th Amendment on Oct. 27, 1866.
Texas was not readmitted to the Union until 30 March 1870.

Georgia rejected the 14th Amendment on Nov. 9, 1866.
Georgia was not readmitted to the Untion until 15 July 1870.

Climb out of your time warp.

115 posted on 04/17/2002 12:33:04 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Thanks for debunking his bogus history.
120 posted on 04/17/2002 12:39:07 PM PDT by weikel
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To: steve-b
The government of Georgia had been re-established under a proclamation issued by President Andrew Johnson dated June 17, 1865.

How could Georgia's Vote for the 13th Amendment be counted and it's vote against the fourteenth AFTERWARDS be discounted???

The 13th Amendment was ratified by 27 states of the then 36 states of the Union, including the Southern States of Virginia, Louisiana, Arkansas, South Carolina, Alabama, North Carolina and Georgia. This is shown by the Proclamation of the Secretary of State December 18, 1865. Without the votes of these 7 Southern State Legislatures the 13th Amendment would have failed. There can be no doubt but that the ratification by these 7 Southern States of the 13th Amendment again established the fact that their Legislatures and State governments were duly and lawfully constituted and functioning as such under their State Constitutions.

on April 2, 1866, President Andrew Johnson issued a proclamation that, "the insurrection which heretofore existed in the States of Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Florida is at an end, and is henceforth to be so regarded."

148 posted on 04/17/2002 1:40:12 PM PDT by FF578
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To: steve-b
At the time of the introduction of the 14th Amendment there were 37 states in the Union. By the middle of 1867 the Federal Secretary of State had recieved offical documents giving the states answer to the proposed 14th Amendment. The Result was a rejection of the amendment as follows:

States in the Union: 37

Needed to Ratify 28

States Voting Yes 22

States Voting No 12

States not voting 3

Mississippi's rejection resolution did not reach Washington and therefore it is numbered with the non-voting states. Even if all the non-voting states had voted for the amendment, it would still be short of the required number for ratification.

The Northern Congress realized that their attempt to secure passage of the amendment had failed. Thus the letter of constitutional law had survived the initial post-war assault. But the Northern Congress was determined to complete the radical change it had initiated. Frivolous Technicalities such as constitutional limitations, ethics and morality proved no obsticle.

To Secure accomplishment of the 14th amendment the Northern Congress did the following.

1. Declared the Southern States to be outside the erswhile indivisible union.

2. Deny Majority Rule in the Southern States by the disfranchisement of large numbers of the population.

3. Require the Southern States to ratify the Amendment as the price of getting back in the Union from which they had been denied the right to secede.

The third point is a real brain-teaser. The North in 1866 removed the Southern States from the Union. This was the Same North that in 1861 refused to allow the States to secede from the Union. This same North now declared the Southern States non-states. To get back in the Union (that they originally didn't want to be part of anyway) it was required to preform the function of a state in the Union, while still officially no longer part of a Union, by ratifying an amendment previously as states in the Union, it had legally rejected!

Remember also that many of the states that voted against the 14th Amendment in 1866, Voted for the 13th in 1865, AND THEIR VOTE WAS COUNTED IN THE TOTAL in 1865, without their vote the 13th is invalid.

So either the 13th is valid and the 14th is not, or the 14th is valid and the 13th is not.

Take your pick pal.

Please if you disagree, Enlighten Us to why the above is not correct!

151 posted on 04/17/2002 1:58:51 PM PDT by FF578
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