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1 posted on 04/16/2002 9:55:16 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri; Dan From Michigan
John, meet Dan. Dan, meet John.

Dan was very active and is very good at organizing efforts for a CCW. He succeeded. Learn from him and utilize him in any way you can.

2 posted on 04/16/2002 10:05:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: john in missouri
See you there, guys.
5 posted on 04/16/2002 10:21:37 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: john in missouri; kcpopps; yadayada; alfa6; barker
Kansas City chapter leader ping!

Good call, John in Missouri!

6 posted on 04/16/2002 10:22:16 AM PDT by diotima
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To: john in missouri
Bump for a CCW in Misery!
7 posted on 04/16/2002 10:41:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: john in missouri
John in Missouri, you state:

"Then he has the GALL to tell law-abiding voters that WE have NO RIGHT to carry a concealed handgun"

It is not "gall," he is correct:

Section 23, Missouri Constitution, Bill of Rights:

"That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in the defense of his home, person, and property, or when lawfully summoned in the aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.

If you believe in living free under a constitutional republic, which I do by the way, then you know that there is no constitutionally enumerated RIGHT to carry a concealed handgun, stated in the Missouri Bill of Rights.

If you want that RIGHT to carry concealed weapons, then advocate and begin the arduous task of the AMENDING the Missouri constitution.

Enacting laws, creates no RIGHTS. This is very important to understand. Enacting laws, creates no RIGHTS.

You are making two hugh mistakes by not advocating AMENDING the Missouri constitution versus begging the legislature and the governor to enact a law.

Mistake Number 1:

Asking the legislature for permission or more accurately, the privilege to carry a concealed weapon, through legislation, is precisely that: a privilege, not a RIGHT.

If the legislature can grant a privilege, then they surely can take that privilege away. I do not need to remind you, but I will, that when we citizens abdicated our RIGHT to drive, to the status of a "privilege," we all now know the laws and restrictions that have been enacted and is now attached to that "privilege."

This is the same thing that will happen to the privilege, not the right, to carry a concealed weapon.

Mistake Number 2:

The constitution cannot be amemded by the enactment of a law. Since, the Missouri Bill of Rights, clearly states a prohibition to carry concealed arms, then any such law granting that privilege is inherently unconstitutional

If you do not adhere to the principle of constitutional fidelity, then when the legislature wishes to pass a law violating our Bill of Rights, in the future, on another issue, for instance, you will have no moral high ground to stand on, to oppose it.

Those legislators will remind you that you were so willing to look pass the constitution prohibition on the conceal carry issue, why do you not to the same on this next issue.

Here in Missouri we already have the RIGHT to carry a firearm, in full view of course. Let's exert that right.

10 posted on 04/16/2002 10:48:35 AM PDT by tahiti
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15 posted on 04/16/2002 11:08:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: john in missouri
Here his how we did it last night in Des Plaines.

500 citizens, men women and children showed up at city hall and let out the flag in full voice.

* Here his how American citizens did it last night in Des Plaines. 500 citizens, men women and children showed up at city hall and let out the flag in full voice. *

* click here to read thread.*

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19 posted on 04/16/2002 11:42:08 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: john in missouri
HEAR THE TRUTH.

May I suggest that you cut and paste this to flyers.

* George Washington Said "Only put Americans on guard tonight. *

In 1987 only eight states had Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW). Today you can count 33 states with shall issue CCW, and 11 states with may issue.

Then we have the six states with no issue. However of the six states, OH, MO, WI, MN, and KS are working hard and have bills pending. OH is closest with MO, WI, and KS closest to passing a CCW law. Illinois NRA grass roots group is dead at the morge on th CCW issue.

Semper Fi

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20 posted on 04/16/2002 11:44:19 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: john in missouri
To Editor for Editorial page.

Citizens in 44 states “Do not fear Gun Owners who “Citizen Carry” (CC).”

In 1986 only eight (8) states allow “citizen carry” (CC) and crime was on the rise. In the year 2001, 42 states now have CC laws on the books and crime continues to drop. Researchers to the self-defense issue, has noticed crime begin dropping immediately after enactment in each state and showed up four - five years before the Brady law. Our Indiana neighbor has issued 350,000 CC permits and zero (0) has been revoked for a firearms homicide. In these states Police Chief’s are pleasantly surprised in the quality of the applicant.

There are 21 times more (est. 2,500,000) CC owners than “street” policeman (120,000) in the United States. Policemen killed 330 innocent citizens in 1996 and CC’ers (30). Statistically you are 300 times more likely to be innocently shot by a policeman than a CC owner. Sidebar: 700,000 Doctors kill by mistake 90,000 people annually in our nation. Our hearts should go out to each and every family and our heads need to be crystal clear on this issue. Also Citizen Carry citizens commit less crime that even Police officers as a statistical group.

Women are the fastest growing group of gun owners in the United States. “Dial 911 and Die” is real with 911 response times from 5 to 30 minutes. Police only stop 4% in the act violent crime. What logic would as representative suggest to a woman to “talk down” the rapist with AIDS or HIV or STD? 10 minutes is a long time. Get your watch and start talking. Do GG (Gun Grabbers) honestly think the rapist will use a condom? Women should be outraged at the GG for forcing such defenseless thinking. Did you know most rapes last from 2 to 4 hours.

Question? Why do you think, judges, probation officers, bail bondman, attorneys and social workers are given the right to CC or decide to carry illegally? If you ask they will tell you, they are dealing bad guys everyday and know the mindset of these early release felons.

Bad guys will always have guns. It is “dumb and dumber” to believe America is safer by taking away firearms from honest American Citizens or to make felons. Anti gun groups and faulty ordinances in Chicago land are doing just the opposite providing “gun free zones” for criminals to operate in.

Most all State Statues are written to protect the general public not the individual. It is the individual’s responsibility to protect themselves and their families at home and away from home.

Road Rage: It is a myth that CC owners kill cops, or citizens with Road Rage. In the United States over the last twenty years only two (2) known road rage shootings have occurred. Believe me if Road Rage shootings were a problem, the Gun Grabbers (GG’ers), would let us know. One case, after a car accident in TX, the driver begins to punch the man in the face, breaking his eye socket, nose. Profusely bleeding from the face and fearing for his life, the 65 yr old driver pulled his gun and shot the road raged driver saving his life.

· My personal thoughts: Every solid citizen who elects to “CC” carry’s a tremendous burden. This burden is to stay legal, or be charged with a felony or at least a grand jury indictment, should they ever break one of 25,000 gun laws or kill an attacking criminal. We have plenty of criminal laws to put them away for life should any CC’er turn to the dark side. · Jesus in the Bible was smart enough to cast blame on Cain for killing Abel, not blame the stone. Those who believe the “GG” fear spinners need to wake up. · One final closing thought, Christian religions and other religions teach the need to protect ones self. Jesus said in Luke 22:36 30 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. The sword was the finest weapon outside of the home of its time, far better than rocks, clubs, and stones.

Department of Justice, FBI, CIA, statistics and facts

* Facts and Figures * (700k file)

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/gunfacts.pdf

* Facts and Figures ver3.1 *(700k file)

http://home.attbi.com/~guys/guns.html

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21 posted on 04/16/2002 11:47:11 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: john in missouri
Mrs Ruth Price DIED HARD. NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO DIE WITHOUT A FIGHTING CHANCE.

Other women who know how Mrs. Price was lied too by the government false statements that 911 will protect you.

* Women who defend their sons daughters and husbands *

http://www.sas-aim.org/home.htm

Bad guys don't live by the rules. Here is Mrs. Ruth Price story and I would think that you would agree she disagrees with this leftist extremist, anti-gun views. Here is Mrs. Price story. Another disarmed voice.

Mrs. Price speaks directly to the gun control extremists with a powerful message. Requires Audio setup, downloads in 30 seconds, however, well worth your wait for this message.

Mrs. Price story

If you have trouble with this load, cut and paste to URL line.

http://www.geekswithguns.com/audio/911_call_no_address.ram

Next Picture from Mother's of the past, speaking to soccer moms of today.

First Million Mom March

Have we forgotten already.

Women's talk about self defense.

From a woman's point of view

The best news link on the planet for self defense.

www.keepandbeararms.com

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Who needs protection? The women of our lives, and our children, the poor who have little police protection, our grandparents, and parents, our wife, and our daughters need the right to self-defense at home and on the street. 2.2 million felons in jail, 3.5 million felons on probation, and 14 million drug abusers looking for their next fix. Do you think they are living in your city? Guns save lives. Gun free zones are killing zones for criminals. Most anti gun liberals are one mugging away from conservative views.

Dail 911 and die is more than a cute saying. It is life or death.

The actual 911 call is Mrs Price voice. Take this recording to every MMM and anti gun rally in the nation. Perhaps the MMM anti guns will be the next Mrs Price.

Another Mrs Price story in Columbus OHIO -- Dialed 911 and Died.

Mrs. Turner's story. Restraining orders, Killer telling police he was going to kill her, begging for life for several minutes, nor did phone call to 911 save this woman's life.

Mrs. Turner's story

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b28997102ad.htm

What is your self defense plan when the bad guy shows up at your door?

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22 posted on 04/16/2002 11:48:48 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: john in missouri
I reside in Illinois. I know what you are going thought
Good Luck
34 posted on 04/16/2002 3:22:40 PM PDT by dredhawk
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To: john in missouri
My best thoughts will be with you all. I have to work and so will not be able to be with you.

I voted for the concealed carry law a few years ago, and I hope that another will be on our ballots soon. All the best Freepers!

35 posted on 04/16/2002 3:56:48 PM PDT by good1
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To: john in missouri;BOBWADE;Dan from Michigan
Thx for the ping. I am working one block away from the Capitol but cannot get away tomorrow. Just know this: U have my moral support for a great cause.
39 posted on 04/16/2002 7:46:53 PM PDT by zip
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To: john in missouri
I wish I could, unfortunately in WA for a while. I should be back in MO around July, hopefully will be able to do stuff with ya'll then.
46 posted on 04/17/2002 12:41:32 AM PDT by In veno, veritas
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To: john in missouri
Thank you for the alert and I wish I could have been there.
49 posted on 04/18/2002 10:13:41 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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