Posted on 04/15/2002 8:15:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz
Des Plaines (LAZ) -- By a 7 to 1 vote, Des Plaines City Council rejected two sweeping pieces of gun control legislation introduced by Alderman Don Smith and heavily and vocally backed by Richard Daley, the Mayor of Chicago.
Des Plaines is twenty miles from Chicago, and is considered a suburb of the city.
Smith introduced both a set of gun dealer restrictions, and a comprehensive assault weapons ban.
The gun dealer restrictions would have forced gun dealers to pay 55$ to the city, undergo fingerprints, be subjected to a criminal background check, and would have prevented gun dealers from operating in a quarter-mile radius of dozens of types of establishments, virtually preventing any gun and ammunition sales in Des Plaines.
The second ordinance would have banned sales and possession of so-called assault weapons, which were defined by name and by features. There was no provision for grandfathering of existing firerams.
The turnout by those opposed to these measures was so large that both the city council meeting and the overflow room were too full for the Des Plaines firefighters requirements, so the remaining individuals needed to watch television monitors set up in the hallways and lobby. The crowd was overwhelmingly opposed to the measure, and occasionally needed to be quieted by the mayor.
After the resolutions were introduced, each of the Aldermen from each of the other seven wards took turns harshly criticizing the legislation.
One Alderman, Dick Sayad (Ward 4), took personal umberage at the legislation, noting that he is a proud owner of three firearms and that his wife is trained and willing to defend herself when he is away. He also pointed out that the way the legislation was written, that no firearms sales could occur within a quarter mile radius of the son or daughter of any veteran, completely eliminating all firearms sales in the city limits.
Another Alderman, Carla Brookman (Ward 5) remarked that she had a flood of emails and calls, "more than I have on any issue ever", and that not one call or email was in favor of the legislation.
When the Chicagoland Chapter meets, we do not talk about one issue solely. One issue may garner most of the discussion, but we do include other items on the agenda.
If I were to call a meeting of the chapter, it would be for the chapter. Neither you, nor SpyderTim are chapter members and would not be included in the scheduling. If either of you two wish to sign up to the chapter, I would gladly accept both of you as members. Go to the Free Republic Network and sign up.
Until then, if you want a meeting on IL CCW or any other gun issues, you're welcome to call for and schedule a meeting using the forum.
I didn't write this with stern intentions, but I just want to be straightforward and honest
I’d be curious what the intent would be. Not a criticism, but a legitimate question. I don’t think we can mobilize dozens of people, much less hundreds. I think the ISRA does a great job, and it might be worth spreading their message, in conjunction with local or Illinois Freepers. From the reports it sounded as though they mobilized well in Des Plaines.
One possible role could be mobilizing Freeper support amongst gun owners outside the immediate area, nationally and in Illinois. Develop ping and/or E Mail lists. E Mail has been effective on one or two related threads I’ve posted in the past. Re Des Plaines, I noted one poster with local knowledge speculate this would be a one vote decision, it obviously didn’t go that way. I’d love to know how many E Mails and calls the couple of threads on this topic generated from Freepers. I suspect a lot. And these are not purely local issues. Look at Morton Grove, that's not just the law of the state, but the law of the land.
If something comes of this, please FR mail me.
It is an interesting thought.
However, IRSA has to come out and do two things.
First Make a public statement they are for more that hunters and protection of their gun clubs. They must be without question a proactive leader for the CCW issue in illinois. When we talk to the representatives at the gun shows, they are weak and do not know the issues.
Second, ISRA must prove leaderships joining thier 15-20,000 members with the 1.5 million FOID card holders who really own firearms for self defense. 15,000 hunters is just a start.
Can you get this handled?
Semper Fi
You have the right idea. I agree with you 100%
Who wants to take the next step?/
Make a list of all the posting names in this list, and suck off the IL names from Freepr??
Drop me a note, I have email engines, and fax engines.
Second, ISRA must prove leaderships joining thier 15-20,000 members with the 1.5 million FOID card holders who really own firearms for self defense. 15,000 hunters is just a start.
I can tell you this, prior to the election (some called it a coup)of the current administration of the ISRA it was more accurately called the "Chicago Sportsman's Club". Your opinion that only hunting and exclusive gun clubs mattered at that time was somewhat accurate. In addition, gun owners living outside the Chicago metro area were treated like they did not exist.
Since Pearson took over things have changed and there are still a lot of very hard feelings among the "old guard". That may be where your opinions are coming from.
I am a Highpower rifle competitor.....I hang out in that group. They are all ISRA members, and are foaming at the mouth 2nd supporters. So is Pearson.
Join it and get involved. Those people at gun shows are volunteers. You can be as well.
Regards
J.R.
His exact words were, "We want all the thugs in Chicago to be able to rape, rob, and terrorize people in the suburbs safely, like they can in the city."
I can tell you this, prior to the election (some called it a coup)of the current administration of the ISRA it was more accurately called the "Chicago Sportsman's Club". Your opinion that only hunting and exclusive gun clubs mattered at that time was somewhat accurate. In addition, gun owners living outside the Chicago metro area were treated like they did not exist.
*I am not old guard. I am aggressive, go get em, 2nd. What I see is a lack of ability of the ISRA to bridge the gap of the old ISRA and the techanical ablility of the new technology capable FOID, CCW souls who can blitz the education airwaves with material. Second, I agree with your assessment, however ISRA has to show me more. Third, time to mend the fences, and put togather a state platform like Michigan and Ohio. You up for this?
Since Pearson took over things have changed and there are still a lot of very hard feelings among the "old guard". That may be where your opinions are coming from.
* My opinions are forme by what I see, read, and sense(gut feel) Groups in the state have approached ISRA with powerful search engines, both email, news editoral engines, and power fax systems. They honestly do not have clue what technology can do, or how to use this marketing tool. Second, I am confident that the website mask for Michigan or Ohio can be had. For ISRA To design their own webpage is poor management, buy, borrow,it bug free and be sure to say thank you.
I am a Highpower rifle competitor.....I hang out in that group. They are all ISRA members, and are foaming at the mouth 2nd supporters. So is Pearson.
* I am a high power rifle competitor as well(pairie dogs).... Great the IRSA is foaming at the mouth.
What they need to do is stop foaming and build an all inclusive attitude for the real CCW groups forming around the state. IRSA is losing members because of this attitude. I bet you a box of ammo that membership has fallen in the last year. This is not anger just the facts.
Join it and get involved. Those people at gun shows are volunteers. You can be as well.
*I have more to give that just being a member. Unless you are a board of directors my experience, education, ability to project education power is wasted. Some of these technology wireheads can lead the electronic education, but first the fighting factions must sit down around the table of peace.
Semper Fi.
I am a straight shooter and call as I see it, and play it as it lies.
Chicagofarmer
Good.
What I see is a lack of ability of the ISRA to bridge the gap of the old ISRA and the techanical ablility of the new technology capable FOID, CCW souls who can blitz the education airwaves with material.
Probably true. My guess is they do not have the time and/or expertise.
Second, I agree with your assessment, however ISRA has to show me more.
Why don't YOU show the ISRA the "new technology" and explain it's potential benefits.
Third, time to mend the fences, and put togather a state platform like Michigan and Ohio. You up for this?
I am not sure what you mean by this. As to what I am up for, First, Pearson is a friend but I am not a member of the ISRA hierarchy. What fences need mending? Are you part of the group that tried to oust the present administration recently?
Here is what I am up for: (1)I think Claire Wolfe is correct -- "It's too late to work within the System, but too soon to......". (2) I almost never vote for incumbents and I vote second party (thats third party for those of you who still believe in the "screw party" system.) whenever possible. (3) I personally do grassroots work. Tommorrow I am taking three young people to the Fort Defiance range for a Highpower rifle training session. Maybe one of them will like it and get involved.
I do not understand what is stopping you from acheiving your goals. It is hard for me to believe the ISRA would turn away anyone who wants to volunteer time and services.
Regards
J.R.
Dan from Michigan will give you a better view of what CCW active states think of IRSA and IRSA efforts in IL CCW battle. I would like to help and make a change.
Maybe we have a thread or bond, as my brand new AR-15 SS competitor prairie dog gun will make the first trip to SD. Bend shooting quarters at 200 yards. Perhaps some day we will meet standing shoulder to shoulder competing or other issues. I was at Des Plaines did you happen to make it?
Drop me a note and let me know what you think of these statements?
Chicagofarmer
Well here the straight scoop on your questions.
What I see is a lack of ability of the ISRA to bridge the gap of the old ISRA thinking and the technical ability of the new technology capable FOID, CCW souls who can blitz the education airwaves with material.
Probably true. My guess is they do not have the time and/or expertise.
First Point
It is also interesting to hear that Pearson wants to change from this old guard to a new direction of supporting CCW in Illinois.. This new direction just recent? Is it published, is it part of the BOD and have they approved? Do you think IRSA is reaching out to other gun groups in Illinois on this common plank for CCW? If ISRA is then other gun groups are not hearing the message.
I strongly suggest that IRSA, conceal carry, Champaign, Lake, McHenry, move forward to adopt a common plank for CCW similar to Michigan and Ohio CCW. 44 states and then there is IL, WI, MN, MO, and KS sucking hind teat in CCW.
I think IRSA have been embarrassed (never admit it) by other gun groups it is just natural as competition just makes us all better. As a board member on 200 plus corporations in my lifetime, have a number of questions?
A board with old fogies is a board with old fogies. If these old foggies have never touched a computer, then they are ill prepared to visualized the power of technology.
TIME: That is my point, they don’t recognize their horse and buggy delivery (as compared to ability of internet to jell support and educate media outlets), or have a ego problem, or have a power syndrome issue. We still need the horse and buggy handshake in Springfield, but we also need to blitz and spin the media at the same time. When IRSA is ready to spin all media outlets we can do it as I know of 5-10 techies, who can do this.
My Second Point
IRSA needs to recognize what you stated (time or knowledge) but this is no excuse not to jell with other gun owner groups for 2nd amendment issues. The other groups also need to recognize and bend a little as well. I do believe at this time this is a fight over power, membership and dues money.
Second, I agree with your assessment, however ISRA has to show me more.
Why don't YOU show the ISRA the "new technology" and explain it's potential benefits.
Approximately 20 months ago, in writing, a three page written proposal was floated thru an inter circle member of ISRA. An outside does not get on the agenda just by signing up. We had a previous and trusted relationship from national issue conference. Offered following educational tools, free email engines that don’t look like spam, free faxing (franking) privileges for any of their members, to any group, senators, representatives, newspaper offices, TV stations, radio stations (approx 900 outlets statewide). This is how you educate the masses.
When this failed, a personal introduction and request for a meeting by approaching Mr. Pearson, and IRSA Springfield rep. No response. I am from Chicago therefore I must be one of them in sheepskin. Now I would think that any logical board of director would proceed with caution, however would investigate FREE franking privileges unless they have silent motives.
Third, time to mend the fences, and put together a state platform like Michigan and Ohio. You up for this?
I am not sure what you mean by this. As to what I am up for, First, Pearson is a friend but I am not a member of the ISRA hierarchy. What fences need mending? Are you part of the group that tried to oust the present administration recently?
First, I am aware of the group that put members up to run for BOD positions on the BOD at IRSA. I studied their approach and found it to be a normal process of running for office. I can appreciate the normal spin and disappointment of a challenge and losing.. I was not one of the candidates.
I belong to only one organization which is located in Flagstaff AZ. I speak to several different organizations with the states of Ohio, Arizona, Michigan, and Illinois regarding 2nd amendment issues. I purposely have not jointed IL organizations to AVOID the very issue that prevents synergy within the state of IL for gun rights.
I would be happy to mediate any communication between groups to build a platform with planks for CCW within the state of Illinois. Here is the process I would suggest as done in Michigan. I have also great conversations with GOA, SAF, and KABA, regarding the issues Illinois gun groups have failed to overcome in Springfield Failure is not a sin,, it is a focusing process for those who reorganize, redouble their efforts. Can old guard admit that yes we need to begin the process of handing the flag and the 2nd amendment rights over to a new and younger generation in sprit and workload and still retain our pride, honor and position of leadership. I think they can.. Here is how Michigan did it. Can you take this to IRSA or Pearson for general board discussion?
* How Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners put down their swords*
http://www.mcrgo.org/
http://ohioccw.org/
The above website bring power to the CCW issue. The website bring energy and synergy to act as one unit.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/662666/posts?page=98#98
Here is what I am up for: (1)I think Claire Wolfe is correct -- "It's too late to work within the System, but too soon to......". (2) I almost never vote for incumbents and I vote second party (that’s third party for those of you who still believe in the "screw party" system.) whenever possible. (3) I personally do grassroots work. Tomorrow I am taking three young people to the Fort Defiance range for a High power rifle training session. Maybe one of them will like it and get involved.
We all enjoy and must do grass roots.
I do not understand what is stopping you from achieving your goals. It is hard for me to believe the ISRA would turn away anyone who wants to volunteer time and services.
The effort is not over, it has just begun bringing together the various groups in IL for a common CCW law. Here is the bill HR401 sitting in rules committee in Springfield. Has IRSA move this forward in the last 12 months?
http://www.legis.state.il.us/scripts/imstran.exe?LIBSINCWHB0401
It is a simple goal and requiring 99.9 % support outside my control. My attorney could not believe either that IRSA would ignore the free offer. Can you be a conduit as a trusted inside communicator to the inter circle and perhaps this can be reintroduce for consideration?
Here is a view from an outsider (Michigan) Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxdan from michiganxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Posted by Dan from Michigan to CHICAGOFARMER ; lazamataz
On News/Activism Apr 10 1:40 PM #98 of 122
Lets figure out a way to combine this splinter ILLINOIS energy in IL and build a MCRGO here in IL where we really need it. Being a Michigander myself CCW when in Michigan and Indiana, and IL transport when in Illinois. I would bet that OH and MI would be willing to support a real effort with software shells etc, if we could lite that fire.
There were four or five state groups in Michigan for a while. I'm not counting one of the "NRA" groups(Michigan pistol association or something like that since it's a shooting club and that's it). I won't count the militia either. All but three folded. One is Brass Roots, which it an offshoot of the libertarian party. I don't like Brass Roots. All they do is complain, whine, and they don't fight smart. They turned off any fence sitter leaning their way. They wanted Vermont or nothing, and the legislature told them to pound sand. They had 10,000 in 94. Now, they can barely fill a room with meetings.
The other is TN-USA. It's a national group, but is strong in Michigan for obvious reasons.(Nuge is from Concord). It's a good group, and they help us on gun issues, although hunting is their fortay. They are better on the education issues than the political, although they are capable of both.
Lastly is MCRGO, which I'm with. We started with 8 people, and now have I believe 28,000. No one is questioning our results. Some hate us because they think we compromised too much on the CCW bill(it was a take it or leave it by Engler - we took it, which is the right decision, especially with the good chance of Granholm as gov and now want to improve it).
Right now, we are going for the legal end of the fight by taking Ferndale to Court for banning CCW in certain areas violating the 1990 pre-emption act.(Which I think is a must in any state) We're also looking for a veto-proof majority in the legislature, a new US Senator, Justice Robert Young to go back to the Supreme Court, and for some congressional pickups. I'll come back to this.
3. Now that we have a TOTALLY voluntary dues system in place suddenly money is an issue?
If dues are voluntary, I don't have as much of an issue, but dues are voluntary for any org. No one has to be a member to enjoy the benefits of being a gun owner. For being an MCRGO member, you help fund our group, sue places, get a great newsletter, and elect pro-2a officials. In fact, all our meetings outside the annual one are public and open even to a Million Moronic idiot.
Yes, CC, INC. dues are VOLUNTARY - see paragraph 6 below. Dues paying members do get free gun transfers and guns at COST via our FFL, other than that there is no real difference between a dues paying member and someone who just wants to lend support.
There is one good advantage there.
I don't know ISRA. I looked at their site, and they seem more like a shooter's club than a gun rights group. Their PAC page is only on the links section at the end and is hard to find. The last update I saw there was in January.
There is NO information on the 22 faces you need to know there. NONE. That is WEAK, and I'd expect better from an NRA affiliate. Their layout isn't bad at all. The content sucks.
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