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Southern Movement Growing!
1 posted on 04/13/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by JohnnyReb1983
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Do you have a link to this article, or could you list the source, please?
2 posted on 04/13/2002 11:04:43 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: JohnnyReb1983
My 16year old son's room is covered in confederate flags. A few of his black friends have seen them and nothing was said. He does not see it as a racial issue but a prohibition of something historical.
3 posted on 04/13/2002 11:10:02 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Seems to me that anytime anyone who attacks your value system and then demands more welfare from you on top of it is clearly setting themselves up for confrontation.

For too long, Blacks in America have been given a free ride on too many issues and allowed to complain about anything without accountability.

Accountability is the defining issue of issues in conjunction with setteling the problems of the Black Community. As long as the pimps like J.Jackson and Al Sharpton are allowed to side-step accountability, to never demand personal accountability for unwed mothers and then produce them within their own society, e.g., black society, then blacks will have grievences.

Attacking Southern or Civil War icons is not the issue, it is the issue of personal accountability; Kinda makes you see why democrats are democrats and Republicans who pay taxes and are responsible citizens in communities are Republicans.

4 posted on 04/13/2002 11:13:40 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: JohnnyReb1983
How many time must they lose the Civil War?
5 posted on 04/13/2002 11:14:50 PM PDT by Goodness Gracious
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Never mind, I found it. Click here to go to the Christian Science Monitor article.
6 posted on 04/13/2002 11:16:04 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Darn! That didn't work. Try this link to go to the Christian Science Monitor article.
8 posted on 04/13/2002 11:19:19 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: JohnnyReb1983
I don't know but maybe some of the Southerners are just fed up with all mind numbing senseless liberal clap they're seeing and they want out of that loop. So they fall back on their old flag and the virtues and values that existed in this country about 5 decades ago?
12 posted on 04/14/2002 12:22:37 AM PDT by jwh_Denver
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"And the idea that the country has decided to erase all things Southern is unfounded, says Potok. "The war occurred, and there's no point in pretending it didn't. Besides, removing all signs of the Civil War is a little akin to the Soviets airbrushing assassinated leaders out of photographs.""

Gee, Potok, that appears to me to be EXACTLY what you and your cronies want.

14 posted on 04/14/2002 4:53:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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"These guys are very much building the intellectual capital which they hope to make the foundation for a ... reborn Confederacy," says Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montgomery, Ala. And the size scares him. "You have 9,000 and 15,000-person membership rolls, huge groups littered with PhDs, doctors, and lawyers, which are vastly more politically dangerous than any Klan or neo-Nazi group could ever be."

GOOD! I hope we scare the commie bastards right out of Montgomery, the South, and on to Havana or Beijing where they belong.

19 posted on 04/14/2002 8:20:40 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: JohnnyReb1983
This is all wrong. There is no new era of Southern Pride.

We've never lost our pride, nor our desire to be left alone to our own way of life, culture and civility.

We are predominately Christians with a tremendous desire to live free, in a society that reflects our values. Not the values we are told to adopt by globalists, one worlders, or any other political whore.

What has caused Southerners to rally is the attacks against our values. We don't believe in globalism, New World Order agendas, or open borders.

We believe in liberty, and the Rule of Law, something you don't hear many politicians dicussing now.

We believe in the power of prayer and the power of gunpowder: Patrick Henry was correct-Most Southerners would agree: Give me liberty or give me death.

30 posted on 04/14/2002 9:20:53 AM PDT by antidemocommie
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I'm thrilled to see this woman stand up against the corporation. One thing is for certain: if Western man is to survive the things that are coming our way (and we are to avoid the fate of the Rhodesians), we are going to have to abandon our deep cultural antipathy against being rude, pushy, and aggressive.

Over the next few decades, we our backs are going to be against the wall. The only way we and our culture will remain in existence is by a healthy dose of political and cultural activism laden with a strong dash of aggressive assertiveness.

This woman is a heroine of the highest order.

32 posted on 04/14/2002 9:26:45 AM PDT by quebecois
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To: WhowasGustavusFox; aomagrat; sheltonmac; billbears; bluecollarman; Constitution Day; TomServo...
They'd like to recast the South as the last bastion of civility, independence, and constitutional ideals.

Well, ain't that the truth! We are the last place for civility, independence, and constitutionality.

33 posted on 04/14/2002 1:01:31 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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*This weekend, League of the South will open its North Carolina State University chapter in Raleigh - one in a string of recent gambits to bring Southern youths back to Confederate ideals. The director says the league's South Carolina chapter saw a 300 percent increase in membership last year.

ping!! ping!!! ping!!! ping!!! Where do I sign up and what do I need to do? May God bless Dixie!!

40 posted on 04/14/2002 5:20:51 PM PDT by billbears
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"Look it's pretty simple. You have San Francisco forcing its people to pay for sex-change operations; you have Vermont sanctioning same-sex marriages; you have Oregon pushing euthanasia ... the people of Mississippi are not going to accept that. The Confederacy stands for a people's right to determine what sort of society, what sort of culture they want to build." -—Anonymous Mississippian as quoted in the Sierra Times
44 posted on 04/14/2002 8:10:57 PM PDT by one2many
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In the end, the reawakening of Confederate ideals is about much more than tugging on an old flag. Deeper historical, religious, and political forces are at work, says Walter Williams, chairman of the economics department at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "A lot of this might be the resurrection of some ... issues that led up to the War Between the States in 1861," he says. "Specifically, the heavyhandedness of the federal government. And that's why you're seeing a lot of renewed interest in the 10th Amendment and states' rights."

************

As long as the Union
Was faithful to her trust,
Like friends and like brothers
Both kind were we and just;
But now, when Northern treachery
Attempts our rights to mar,
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

**************


48 posted on 04/14/2002 8:45:25 PM PDT by Cloud William
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TWO BROTHERS
Music and Lyrics by Irving Gordon.

Two brothers on their way,
Two brothers on their way,
Two brothers on their way,
One wore blue and one wore gray.

One wore blue and one wore gray,
As they marched along their way,
As they marched along their way,
The fife and drum began to play,
All on a beautiful morning.

One was gentle, one was kind,
One was gentle, one was kind,
One came home, one stayed behind,
A cannonball don't pay no mind.

Cannonball don't pay no mind,
If you're gentle or if you're kind,
It don't think of the folks behind.
All on a beautiful morning,
All on a beautiful morning.

***************

51 posted on 04/14/2002 9:25:46 PM PDT by Cloud William
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To: JohnnyReb1983
To the degree that the true history of the war is skewed, the CSA battleflag doesn't represent what really happened. It represents a myth no more real that Paul Bunyon and Babe the Blue Ox.

The federal government was not oppressive prior to 1860. Eleven of the first fifteen presidents were southerners, including seven from Virginia and two from Tennessee.

Southerners controlled the judicary also. The most intrusive federal legislation prior to the war was the Fugitive Slave Act. This act forced state authorities help federal authorities recapture escaped slaves. It was this act, and the Dred Scott decision, that made a mockery of states' rights --but it was NORTHERN states which were mostly oppressed.

Another mythical contruct is that the war was fought over tariffs, or taxes. The Constitution prohibits taxes on the exports of any state. Only incoming goods from outside the US had tariffs on them. And tariffs were lower in 1860 than they had been in 40 years. The 1860 Morrill Tariff could NEVER have passed if southern congressmen had kept their seats.

The cause of the war was slavery.

It was what was presaged by the elction of an admittedly anti-slavery president that the slave holders feared. The poor whites feared amalgamation with free blacks. As long as blacks were slaves, their social status was not at rock bottom.

Until these various factors are admitted and examined and until the CSA apologist cheerleaders admit them, then the CSA battleflag cannot represent the true history of the war and "southern" heritage.

Walt

81 posted on 04/15/2002 5:55:36 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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confederate sympathizer bump
95 posted on 04/15/2002 7:44:25 AM PDT by Tauzero
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BUMP
128 posted on 04/18/2002 1:09:06 PM PDT by Aurelius
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Healthy pride certainly has its place, but regional, sectional, ethnic, racial, and even national pride are poor teachers of history. Once we decide to be proud of our ancestors, it's easy to forget any things they may have done that we might be ashamed of.

"I have done that," says my memory. "I cannot have done that" -- says my pride, and remains adamant. At last -- memory yields. --Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

One comes to think of one's ancestors as "just like us" only better and to attribute all faults to those who opposed them. History is more complicated than that, though. Good and evil are mixed together more thoroughly. I suspect most Southerners recognize that. But some compensate for the impurity of history by making some opponent purely evil.

It's especially unfortunate that the need for regional pride combines with the desire to explain where things went wrong in history to produce resiliant myths about the Old South and the Civil War. The Rebel troops were indeed brave and were fighting for their homes and families and what they took to be freedom.

But the Confederate leadership was very much not "just like us." And they had been after far more than just "to be let alone." The government they were fighting against was not repressive in 1860 and gave them no cause for justified rebellion. They were not fighting the same battles Americans are fighting now. Southern elites were as militarist, imperialist, centralist, represssive and statist as other elites. And if they Old Republic died, they were the ones who dealt the blow that killed it.

If you are a Southerner, especially a White Southerner, you might nevertheless feel that they were fighting for your freedom. But nothing I've seen, heard or read convinces me that they were fighting for my freedom, or for that of most contemporary Americans or that those who fought against them were fighting for tyranny.

It's too bad that so much Southern pride is vested in that war. It's also a pity that so much effort is put into justifying not just the bravery or dedication of the troops but the secessionist cause, and not just justifying it, but maintaining that it was purer and more politically correct by modern standards than any 19th century political movement could be. It might produce a more accurate and nuanced view if some of the cynicism expressed here about American political history were applied to that of the Confederacy as well.

Is Southern pride simply American pride? Sometimes it really doesn't look like it here. It really does look like militant Southern pride intends to heap as much abuse on non-Southern elements in order to keep itself alive. But the saving grace in all this is that most Americans are learning that virtues and vices aren't confined to this or that section or segment of society, but are more evenly distributed throughout our country.

137 posted on 04/18/2002 10:13:16 PM PDT by x
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