Posted on 04/12/2002 1:40:46 PM PDT by aristeides
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I will very gladly pay. Let's see a study.
On another note, did I just read here that Jesuits have 50% gay men?
Let's see the study. My wallet is wide open. Who wants in?
Ah yes, Gramsci. Well I did not mean to imply that because a few bad apples in the catholic church . . . the other spinoffs (denominations) have made their share of mistakes, too. I've read quite a bit about the "communist plot" to take over the church but I think it is lame. Whatever the church is going through is self-inflicted for not sticking to biblical truths especially concerning morality and gross heresies that almost any denomination would have rejected up until the last half century.
Despite having a Christian president, it used to be pc to be a Christian in this country. That is no longer the case.
Actually, there were still fairly good morals among the common people even under communism, much better than what you see today here in the US, no drugs, little stealing, core family values (too much alcoholism), etc. It was the murderous leaders and power-grabbing underlings who perpetrated most of the atrocities.
Many were, but not all. Again, refer to Council of Elvira, 295-302 AD, Canons XXVII and XXXIII.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I will very gladly pay. Let's see a study.
Did someone put a clause into the bible? As much as I search for it, I can't seem to find it
I've already referred you to Jenkins book Pedophiles and Priests and provided several links to Protestant pedophilia, ephebophilia and sexual misconduct. You do the legwork yourself, or does the lead in your backside prevent that? Perhaps it is the bigotry you harbor that won't allow that to occur. By the way, since you have all the answers, how about giving us the names of the Apostles wives? You can find the answer in Scripture can't you? You want to bet on that? Ever heard of lex continentiae or viri probati and their relation to those receiving Holy Orders in the second, or third, or fourth centuries ...? While you're at it, brush up on an unabridged, uncorrupted Bible, since you have demonstrated that you simply don't know what is and isn't actually contained in Scripture.
The Weekend will include:
Prayer
Time to meet others like yourself.
Massage Workshop
Social Time
Quiet Meditation
Eucharist
Relaxed atmosphere
David Birchall is a Jesuit priest who has worked with many gay and lesbian individuals and groups. He has been running similar weekends for ten years.
David currently works at the Jesuit Communication Centre, Dublin, after having spent 13 years at Loyola Hall.
David qualified as a massage therapist at San Francisco School of Massage.
What does this mean?
1999 The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of His own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism. It is in us the source of the work of sanctification:(48)
Therefore if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself.(49)
48 John 4:14; 7:38-39
49 2 Corinthians 5:17-18
I understand it as a gift. Are you saying that it is weakened by sin? What do you mean by deifying? Is baptism the only way to get it?
Or maybe they're paying the price for keeping women out of the hierarchy. After all, men who are exclusively around other men all the time (prison, pirate ships, biker gangs, prolly navy ships) will pretty much end up doing the same kind of stuff with each other regardless of how straight they are.
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