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Court Decision Puts Ohio at Risk -- Allows Unrestricted Carrying of Concealed Guns
bradycampaign.org ^ | 4/10/2002 | A nameless, nadless Brady shill

Posted on 04/11/2002 6:20:47 PM PDT by RogueIsland

Court Decision Puts Ohio at Risk -- Allows Unrestricted Carrying of Concealed Guns

Today, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence sharply criticized the decision by Ohio's First District Court of Appeals in Klein v. Leis, a landmark challenge to the constitutionality of Ohio's law prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons. The Appeals Court upheld a lower court ruling that forbids the enforcement in Cincinnati of Ohio's longstanding law generally banning the carrying of concealed weapons. With the ongoing assistance of the Brady Center's Legal Action Project, the office of the City Solicitor of Cincinnati will appeal the decision to the Ohio Supreme Court and seek to continue a stay of the original order.

"For over 100 years, Ohio law has prohibited the carrying of hidden handguns, unless an individual can prove a compelling need to carry a concealed weapon for valid self-defense purposes," said Dennis Henigan, Director of the Brady Center's Legal Action Project. "This panel's ruling runs counter to common sense and to the wishes of Ohio police and the Ohio legislature. This decision is bad law and bad policy. It not only places Cincinnati law enforcement at risk, it endangers the lives of ordinary citizens. Until now, Ohio courts have consistently recognized the right of the legislature to protect public safety by generally prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons. We are hopeful and confident that the Ohio Supreme Court will undo this judicial aberration, and will expeditiously reverse this decision."

In the case of Klein v. Leis, four individuals, and three groups, including the conservative Second Amendment Foundation, filed a lawsuit against the Governor, Attorney General and State of Ohio, the City of Cincinnati, and over 50 chiefs of police, sheriffs, and local officials, seeking to bar enforcement of Ohio's concealed carry laws, and to declare those laws unconstitutional. In January 2002, a Hamilton County Judge sided with the plaintiffs, overturning Ohio's concealed-carry ban and prohibiting police from enforcing the ban. The judge's ruling was immediately appealed to the Appeals Court and a stay of the judge's order was granted.

No other U.S. state with significant metropolitan areas allows the unregulated carrying of concealed weapons. With the exception of Vermont, states with laws that enable law-abiding citizens to carry hidden weapons require individuals to first obtain a permit from law enforcement officials. As a result of this ruling, Cincinnati residents will not even need such authorization.

"Without restrictions on carrying concealed weapons, the hands of law enforcement would be tied when anyone allowed to possess a gun in Ohio carries that weapon anywhere - to church, to bars, to recreation centers, or to a baseball game," said Mr. Henigan. "Law enforcement organizations are generally opposed to the widespread carrying of concealed weapons. This ruling threatens to strip Ohio law enforcement of a critical enforcement tool."

The Brady Center's Legal Action Project, which works to defend and uphold reasonable federal, state and local gun laws and regulations, is serving as co-counsel for the City of Cincinnati with the City Solicitor.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; bradycenter; guncontrol; guns
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To: RogueIsland
I have a concealed weapon permit in Colorado. Thousands of us do. There has not been a single instance of a permit holder using his or her weapon to commit a crime. Maybe the Brady bunch should worry a bit more about containing criminals instead of persecuting law abiding citizens.
21 posted on 04/11/2002 9:22:57 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen
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To: glc1173@aol.com
"Scandals" is a great read, thanks.
22 posted on 04/11/2002 9:28:59 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You are right on. Who are they speaking to? People in 44 states know that this is BS! Who believes them? They try this last ditch battle cr*p in every state and think (should I say 'feel') that no one pays attention. Once CCW is passed in a state the trend is to liberalize it further. We have to buy a bunch of restrictions to get it passed, but once in, and the experience with the law proves it valuable, legislators go back to expand it.
23 posted on 04/11/2002 9:40:47 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: glc1173@aol.com
There is a feeling in many quarters that Hinckley shot the wrong Brady....
24 posted on 04/11/2002 10:03:35 PM PDT by tracer
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To: RogueIsland
Ohioans for Concealed Carry
25 posted on 04/11/2002 10:11:52 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: RogueIsland
Today, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence sharply criticized the decision by Ohio's First District Court of Appeals in Klein v. Leis... ...The Appeals Court upheld a lower court ruling that forbids the enforcement in Cincinnati of Ohio's longstanding law generally banning the carrying of concealed weapons.

Today, the Brady Center sharply criticized Ohio's First District Court of Appeals for doing their job.

Today, the Brady Center sharply criticized Ohio's First District Court of Appeals for correctly reading the law.

Today, the Brady Center sharply criticized Ohio's First District Court of Appeals for making a decision based on FACT.
26 posted on 04/12/2002 12:18:41 AM PDT by VRWC_Member428
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To: FreedomeFighter1
There has not been a single instance of a permit holder using his or her weapon to commit a crime.

In your state, or as a whole?

"Only 16 permits, less than 1/100th of 1 percent, have been revoked due to the post-issuance commission of a crime involving a firearm."

Regarding Florida Concealed Carry permits - 1987-1993.

Source: A Nation of Cowards by Jeffrey R. Snyder

Unfortunately, the idea of there being no instances of concealed carry permit holders who end up commiting a gun crime is a myth.

I say this not to argue against guns. (I myself carry a pistol wherever I go) I just want to make sure that we all know the truth, even if we don't like it. Still, 16 violations in 160,823 issued permits is not that bad.
27 posted on 04/12/2002 12:27:34 AM PDT by VRWC_Member428
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To: teeman8r
i am watching closely to see how i can win this case here in the so called "free" state. I've watched this unfold over the last couple of day's, and I must apologize in advance, but if the Ohio Supremes agree, my first thought, was Ohioans should file suit against Md. and try to sieze The Free State moniker. Md. is an abomination to the term. Sorry again. I work there, and have many friends and family there. KKT is going to be ten times worse than parris G., so you folks should without a doubt, Keep your Powder Dry! Blackbird.
28 posted on 04/12/2002 3:39:46 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST
that is why i am running a write-in campaign for governor of maryland, to regain the attribute of being free, see FReeper Runs Write-in Campaign for Governor of Maryland, ehrlich is a better alternative than kkt, but he is still locked into the political thinking of government oppression. tell your friends, there is a choice, the write-in choice, thomas taylor for governor. Ask the candidate or visit Thomas Taylor: The Write Choice
29 posted on 04/12/2002 5:42:17 AM PDT by teeman8r
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To: RogueIsland
"Court Decision Puts Ohio at Risk"

Correction: "Court Decision Puts Our Socialist Agenda At Risk."


30 posted on 04/12/2002 5:57:19 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Rogueisland;Deadeye Division
From the Ohioans for Conceal Carry web site.

STATE ASKS SUPREME COURT FOR EMERGENCY STAY OF APPEALS COURT DECISION THAT WOULD OK CONCEALED WEAPONS.

The Ohio Supreme Court has been asked to put on hold an appeals court decision striking down a long-standing state law that prohibits the carrying of concealed weapons. But there was no word at deadline Thursday about whether justices would grant the request from Attorney General Betty Montgomery, Governor Bob Taft and other agencies. Ms. Montgomery is seeking an emergency stay pending the state's appeal of the ruling handed down Wednesday by the 1st District Court of Appeals in Cincinnati.

There was no indication when justices might act. Jay Wuebbold, court spokesman, said challengers of the law had ten days in which to respond to the state's motion, but that the court could act before a response was received.

The appeals court for Hamilton County declared that state laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons, banning the discharge of a firearm in a motor vehicle, and the transportation of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle were unconstitutional. The lower court blocked all law enforcement agencies from enforcing those laws in Hamilton County.

Attorney General Montgomery asked the court late Wednesday to impose an immediate stay and served notice of the state's intention to appeal. "The state appellants request emergency relief because the lower court's decision places law enforcement personnel at risk, and the citizens of Hamilton County, by allowing individuals to carry concealed firearms on their person, and loaded firearms in their motor vehicles without any knowledge regarding when or how a firearm can be used," the state's motion said.

"There is no right to carry concealed weapons in Ohio and this court has made that abundantly clear," the state's motion said. "In creating this new right, the court of appeals ignored this court's precedent, and every other lower court that has rejected the contention that there is a fundamental right to carry concealed firearms."

Since the appeals court decision is limited to Hamilton County, the state contends it creates separate standards by which law enforcement officials must operate. "This lack of uniformity in the application of a state law creates the risk of confusion of, and potential harm to, these law enforcement officers," the motion said.

Citing as precedents Supreme Court cases from 1920, 1976, and 1993, the Attorney General's motion said policy disagreements are insufficient for lower courts to overturn a statute. "The General Assembly is clearly authorized under its police powers to modestly regulate the manner in which people carry firearms in order to protect law enforcement personnel and citizens and to prevent crime," the motion said. "Ohio's concealed weapons ban makes sense. It is designed to protect citizens and law enforcement, and making it illegal for people to carry hidden weapons is an obvious means to that end."

In addition to Attorney General Montgomery, the request for a stay was requested on behalf of Mr. Taft, the State Highway Patrol, Ohio Department of Commerce, and the University of Cincinnati Police, among others.

31 posted on 04/12/2002 6:44:31 AM PDT by MissTargets
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To: FreedomeFighter1
AMEN
32 posted on 04/13/2002 11:10:25 AM PDT by thunderfive
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To: Kermit
THATS WHAT BLOWS ME AWAY WITH THIS WHOLE THING. 44 STATES....ARE OHIONS THE ONLY IDIOTS LEFT IN THE COUNTRY? ARE WE ALL GOING TO KILL EACH OTHER EVEN THOUGH 44 STATES ( YES MR.TAFT... 44 STATES, ROUGHLY 90% OF THE U.S.) HAVE PROVEN IT WONT HAPPEN. EVEN NOW IN CINCINNATI THE PROOF CONTINUES AND STILL THESE COMMUNISTS TRY TO ROB THE REST OF US OUR FREEDOM. I WISH NO ILL TO THESE FOLKS OTHER THAN TO HAVE THEIR U.S. CITIZENSHIP REVOKED FOR WANTING TO DESTROY OUR GREAT CONSTITUTION. AND HOPEFULLY TAFT AND OTHERS LIKE HIM WILL NEVER BE VOTED INTO AND POSITION OF ATHORITY AGAIN.
33 posted on 04/13/2002 11:19:23 AM PDT by thunderfive
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To: elbucko
The Findlaw URL is http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gunlawsuits/kleinleis041002opn.pdf.
34 posted on 04/13/2002 11:40:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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