Police submit shooting findings (Update on the kid shot in the face by an FBI agent).

SunSpot.net ^ | April 9, 2002 | Laura Barnhardt and Gail Gibson

[Unicorn]

BTTT

[Bob Mc]

"The local, state and Federal law enforcement agencies work hand in hand to protect not not only their own but layers and layers of corrupt politicians and organized crime." ,

Not just law enforcement. The Legislative branch, the Executive branch, and the Judicial work hand in hand to protect not only their own but layers and layers of corrupt politicians and organized crime.

[TC Rider]

Sounds like a very lopsided investigation if the detectives didn't even question the FBI shooter.

This is SOP for the Feds. They never hang around for questioning, or grand juries.

An ATF agent shot a local Cary cop in the foot during a house entry a few years ago. He was on a plane back to DC within the hour and never came back. The cop ended up with a disability.

I'm willing to bet Braga hasn't set foot in Maryland since the shooting. Have to avoid those pesky subpeonas.

[Travis McGee]

Schultz was wearing a baseball cap similar to one often worn by the suspect and got into a red Pontiac Grand Am, which resembled a red Honda Civic that an FBI informant had told police their suspect would be riding in.

"Famous, But Incompetent"

[Travis McGee]

The Feds will pay off the victim with millions of tax dollars, and the FBI shooter will not lose one day's pay.

[nunya bidness]

During my brief visit to Loyola College I heard around campus that the FBI recruits the school heavily because of the number of accountants who graduate there.

I was told they want accountants because they have a head for figures and thus they can retain crucial information needed to catch the bad guys.

I guess the shooter wasn't an accountant.

[Travis McGee]

Perhaps he was "vision challenged".

[uncbob]

I was told they want accountants because they have a head for figures

I thought bit was because of the income tax evasion and fraud cases

[Joe Brower]

"The test for whether one is living in a police state is that those who are charged with enforcing the law
are allowed to break the laws with impunity." -- Jon Roland

[Pern]

Actually, he'll probably get a long, paid R&R. Then be promoted and supervise others because he has 'experience' in the field.

[Fred Mertz]

Braga shot an unarmed man in the face and by G-d's Grace the young man is alive as a witness.

The color of the car or the informant's cell phone battery dying is immaterial...or whatever smoke screen they try to float is merely that.

This agent needs to be punished.

[G Larry]

If I recall correctly, didn't they wait an hour or so before calling for medical assistance, only after they realized they had the wrong guy?

[PatrioticAmerican]

This won't go over very well.

[zog]

--punished/ yep! some sort of attempted murder, any headshot is attempted murder. and whomever ordered him to use those 'tactics' as well. They are recruiting shooters, not cops. That's why they want ex military, that's the first and primary criteria now, a military background and weapons proficiency, not law enforcement or catching crooks, they want guys primarily trained for COMBAT. That's the big change in policing that is happening, not only at the federal level, it's all over the nation. podunk towns got swat teams now, and armored cars. This should be a BIG BIG clueski to the peepulz.

[Teacher317]

Reposting my comment from this thread when it happened... it doesn't look like the FBI has addressed any of the major problems:

For review purposes, let's go over the list of crimes, mistakes, poor condict, and hubris in this small event.

• The FBI "postively identifies" a passenger in a moving vehicle from a moving vehicle. (They are so sure of this that they approach the vehicle with assault weapons drawn.) They were wrong. A simple mistake that can happen at any time to anyone. No problems... until they drew their guns.
• The ... agent has his finger ON THE TRIGGER before he is ready to shoot. (Unless they want to admit that they were approaching with the intent to fire.)
• The ... agent points his weapon at something he does not intend to shoot. (again, giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm TRYING to be kind, here!)
• The agent could not have seen a weapon, but fires his own anyway. Most local police are better trained than this. A competent LEO recognizes the possibility of seat belts or other innocent items that a citizen might be reaching for. If accompanied by other officers, as the FBI agent was, they yell "gun!" first, then draw, then decide whether to shoot first, or wait for a moment. (This is from an officer, not my exerience with the show "Cops")
• Upon the discharge of the assault weapon at point blank range into the face of an unarmed anderage citizen, they refuse him medical attention for 40-60 minutes. [T]his is a 'bad thing'. A 10-second search would have verified that safety and security of the medical personnel, LEO's, and public were not at stake, and could clear the medics.
• The FBI, upon discovering that the unarmed citizen they have 'identified', shot without provocation, and refused medical attention is NOT ACTUALLY the robbery suspect, then allow the medics through. This indicates that they intentionally refuse medical care to suspects... but thankfully not innocent civilians. Again, this is a 'bad thing'.
• The FBI refuses to disclose any information, even though it is obvious that this will not interfere with the robbery investigation. They apparently feel that the public isn't worthy of knowing what they have done until they can put a positive spin on it, cover up any possible evidence, and prevent any 'unfortunate' testimony. (The episodes where they repeatedly changed their story were actually noticed! Shocking!)
• This hasn't happened YET, of course, but it's an easy prediction to make: The yet-to-be-named agent will be reprimanded in a news conference, temporarily reassigned, and will suffer no further consequences. This is standard FBI procedure, if not policy. It is also the standard that virtually every federal agency (as well as Congress) clings to desperately.

Those who are properly trained in the use of firearms do not rest their finger on the trigger, nor do they allow the barrel to point in any direction that might be unsafe. Those who refuse treatment suspects (and some reports mention gloating about it) deserve to lose their job entirely.

The three major points here:
1. The laws of the land should apply to all citizens equally. If any of us had mishandled a firearm during a gunshow or at home (or any acceptable reason to have a weapon drawn, just like when a pursued perp has shown a weapon)... and someone got shot in the face... then we would be in jail, facing fines, and would certainly be fired if handling of the firearm was a part of our job (like a salesman or instructor).

2. The FBI needs to stop covering their agents' crimes. They serve the public. The FBI should be open and honest when mistakes happen, and should demote, prosecute and fire agents when merited.

3. The FBI needs to ensure that those who need medical attention get it as soon as possible, whether they are suspects or not. The teacher at Columbine died and the kid in this story could have died because they are not willing to perform the same tasks that local officers and firemen do every single day: go into an area to try to save a life, even if an element of risk exists. (I'll refrain from using the WTC as the basis of comparison, again to be as accomodating as possible in my arguments.)

Rather than serve the public with truth, honor, and self-improvement, the federal agencies (as well as Congress) prefer to lie, obfuscate, 'CYA', and show their disdain for the opinions and welfare of the public. The icing on the cake: the annual demand for more of our hard-earned dollars so they can 'do more'. Boys, we ain't gonna put up with it much longer.

[gwynapnudd]

Not just a murderous cop, but an idiot murderous cop!

[wcbtinman]

When this guy gets a little older, maybe with some military training, I'll bet he goes for some payback.

[harpseal]

Teacher I agree with all the points you raised but I would like to also raise the following. The FBI agents were guilty of gross negligence when they did not use proper felony stop procedures. They should have been behind the cover of their cars ordering the occupants out not at contact distance approaching the car. When gross negligence results in endangering the life of another then the usual felony charge is reckless endangerment.

Delaying the paramedics to an injured person is a second felony. Even a prisoner has a right to medical attention to injuries most especially those that may be life threatening. This is depriving the injure man of his civil rights under the color of law enforcvement a major federal felony. The laughing and joking by these boobs was/is a public relations disaster that should get them fired for that only.

There have also been threats from federal agents against a former federal agent who was retained by the injured man's family to investigate the matter.

In short this little play is worthy of a Franz Kafka story.

At present we have a sealed investigation going to a prosecutor for final decision. Now others have made predictions about what that prosecutor's decision will be I shall refrain from any prediction but I am offering a wager that if the prosecutor decides to charge any of the agents involved that prosecutor will be facing some federal felony himself shortly.

Lets see how this play continues.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Squantos]

Two options .............when you "see" these idiots coming. Lay down flat, spread eagle, palms up, nose to the asphalt and hope for the best (clean kill, quick and painless) or fight back........I figure the risk to ones freedom ,life and future is equal with regards to either option you select based on the FiBi's and other Armed Alphabet Agencies excellent history regarding application of deadly force .< / Sarcasm >

Stay Safe

[Joe Brower]

Rather than serve the public with truth, honor, and self-improvement, the federal agencies (as well as Congress) prefer to lie, obfuscate, 'CYA', and show their disdain for the opinions and welfare of the public.

BINGO. The quote of the day.