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House panel votes to abolish INS
MSNBC ^ | 4/10/02

Posted on 04/10/2002 11:42:53 AM PDT by areafiftyone

The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday decided not to wait for the Bush administration to fix the embattled Immigration and Naturalization Service, voting to abolish the beleaguered service and create two new agencies to handle enforcement and immigration services.

THE COMMITTEE voted 32-2 to send the full House a bill offered by the chairman, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, to break up the INS into two separate agencies under the Justice Department.

Plans pushed by the Bush administration would have a similar effect, but would separate the enforcement and immigration functions without doing away with the INS.

“The current INS administrative plan keeps the INS intact as a consolidated agency when what needs to be created are two new bureaus in the Justice Department,” Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said. “The INS has reorganized itself numerous times in the past two decades, but the agency is still in a deep quagmire. I don’t think any additional attempt at internal reorganizing can pull the INS out of this morass in which it finds itself.”

Under Sensenbrenner’s plan, the bureaus would report to a new associate attorney general for immigration affairs.

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To: TomGuy
"So the accomplishment will be negligible."

Even the same people will behave differently under different institutional incentives. Naturalization and border control are functions with very conflicting incentives, and should be separated.

21 posted on 04/10/2002 12:42:39 PM PDT by Tauzero
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To: areafiftyone
create two new agencies to handle enforcement and immigration services.

I was hoping they were going to vote to abolish this inept organization. Instead, they have decided to create two new inept organizations to take its place.

That's the federal government for you.

22 posted on 04/10/2002 12:45:44 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: Woodstock; MoscowMike; Tauzero; Brownie74; henderson field; Ratcat; Tomguy
It does SOUND like good news, but others - who know the score - have a different opinion:

Abolish the EOIR!

23 posted on 04/10/2002 12:56:02 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: MoscowMike
"One vile, tyrranical, liberalized agency down, many to go, if this effort bears fruit."

The way I read it, there will be two agencies instead of one, and a new associate AG. Sounds like government expansion to me.

Carolyn

24 posted on 04/10/2002 1:14:56 PM PDT by CDHart
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To: areafiftyone
My heart just about fluttered!!! (which is rare) I thought your post header said "House panel votes to abolish IRS"

Can we dream?

25 posted on 04/10/2002 1:19:00 PM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: Regulator
BUMP!!
26 posted on 04/10/2002 1:21:31 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: patriot_wes
LOL - I WISH!!!
27 posted on 04/10/2002 1:31:36 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Excellent government logic. Why settle for one incompetent agency when you can have two.
28 posted on 04/10/2002 1:33:14 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: henderson field
Imagine the cars, yachts and country club memberships enjoyed by INS staffers.

Maybe for upper management -- i.e., the headquarters staff (GS-14s and above).
My husband worked for INS, and was so hampered by the Clinton/Gore mandates to let EVERYONE in that he quit. (Of course, now INS is reaping the benefits of dropping any background checks through NCIC.)

Part of the problem is that headquarters so mistreats their people that all the decent, intelligent hard workers quit or transfer to another agency as soon as they can. While he worked for INS, we couldn't afford jack $h!t. The yearly "raises" were often below the cost-of-living increases, the health benefits sucked @$$ and dealing with death threats (literally!) from pi$$ed-off deportees and "upstanding Americans" alike was quite enought to send him screaming to the private sector.

29 posted on 04/10/2002 1:39:35 PM PDT by Malacoda
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To: Brownie74
"Yeah, the exit from the building is right next to the break room!!"

I don't know, Brownie74....... You have to remember that the bunch of INS employees that draw their paychecks and retirement benefits from us honest, hardworking, taxpayers could not find their own arses with a ten man working party, in a room lined with mirrors and someone standing there with a pointer giving them directions. So I have to wonder....just how could they find the exit?

30 posted on 04/10/2002 2:10:52 PM PDT by Howie66
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To: areafiftyone
Lets face it, the INS is the United States first line of defense, I've been saying this for years. After 11 September I would have thought the Government got the message. But no, somebody musta forgot to tell them there's a war on.

The Air Force spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to turn out the best fighter pilot in the world. They can can shoot down MIGs, sure. But what good is that when, meanwhile back at the INS, some drip with the IQ of a tube sock is stamping the visa application of a suicidal islamic godbot?

If the INS can't show its serving its nation in this war, they should be shut down entirely and immigration put on hold. The risks outweigh the benefits. Moreover, the 1968 immigration reform act has run its course. We have more than enough third worlders here now to make up for any injustices perceived by the hippie generation that wrote it into law.

Until the Government gets serious about treating the INS as part of the national defense of a nation at war, they aren't serious about national defense.

In other words "BOHICA"

31 posted on 04/10/2002 2:57:45 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: areafiftyone
Only in Washington DC does "abolish" mean make two new bureaucracies.
32 posted on 04/10/2002 5:13:32 PM PDT by hattend
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To: Malacoda
The yearly "raises" were often below the cost-of-living increases, the health benefits sucked @$$ and dealing with death threats (literally!) from pi$$ed-off deportees and "upstanding Americans" alike was quite enought to send him screaming to the private sector.

Hmmm...sounds like life in the military under Clinton.

33 posted on 04/10/2002 5:16:47 PM PDT by hattend
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To: Howie66
heh a very subtle growth of federal government..they maxed out thier budget for what the american people would bear and now we'll end with two growing federal budgets instead of one.
34 posted on 04/10/2002 5:48:28 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: otterpond
Why have one when you can have two? Big-spending Congress marches on.

This was my reaction too! Why can't we take some other agency, say the BATF, and use them to enforce the immigration laws. Or the FBI? Do we really need to spawn TWO government agencies for every one that goes away? What happened to Bushes promise for smaller government?

35 posted on 04/10/2002 8:16:05 PM PDT by Henrietta
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