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To: Elkiejg,monkeyshine, ipaq2000, Lent, veronica, Sabramerican, beowolf, Nachum, BenF, angelo, bosto
This is one of the best pieces ever. What insights into the psychology of good and evil and why good men don't kill evil when they have the upper hand. Instead they hesitate and give reprieve.....................

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2 posted on 04/10/2002 6:37:35 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
I agree it's one of the best pieces I've read on this subject - so good I sent it to the WH. I only hope responsible people will read it. Speaking of the WH, does anyone have email addresses for individuals there? The only one I have is: president@whitehouse.gov,vice-president@whitehouse.gov

I'm not sure things I send are getting to either Bush or Chaney.

5 posted on 04/10/2002 6:43:33 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: dennisw
btt
15 posted on 04/10/2002 7:19:37 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: dennisw
I have an expanded theory, and the key point of the article on the usage of children is typical definitional politics. It is that good people fall into the hypnotising definitional trap that the terrorist imposes. The terrorist sets the issues, he can persuade others of his romantic identity and good will.

This is combat. Action makes knee jerk reaction. Hit someone in the stomach, they will bend their heads forward as one's elbow flies upward against it.

Terrorists know that every time they define themselves, every time they bomb, people will be frozen or, rather, they will tend to be attracted to the first power they perceive, following the law of primacy that baby geese rely on to determine who their mother is. Moreover, terrorists have the great advantage of being the first ones to raise the issues, and hence to set the issues on a topic on which they will have dominance of knowledge and familiarity.

Palestinians after all are more familiar with Israel than we are. They also have a dominant knowledge there. Last, but not least, they will initiate the issues of territorialism and autonomism and fight us over this ground which we can hardly deny them the upper hand.

The bottom line is this: we let them define themselves and others, we let them bomb and assert themselves, we let them do what we perceive we like to let our own children do. Palestinians have this childlish charm and they use children. Many parents would let their children get away with murder in the west, and we do the same with Palestinian Khmer Rouge.

Where we see that Bush maybe completely disoriented himself with his elites, is when they themselves want peace and prosperity (assumably more so than terrorists, God forbid), yet they exacerbate and incite war and hatred in the middle east by repeating over and over the same definitions they have about Israel and Palestinians. ARe they brainwashed? Hypnotised? Or they brainwashing us? Do they want peace and push for war unknowingly, or do they want to bankrupt their deals in the Middle East and want to blame the terrorists? Hence pushing for war with good reason in subtle manner? Which is which????

If they were sane and did not want war, they would forbid terrorist identity, they would forbid both side any identity, and seek instead to impose a transcending jurisdiction that would be separated from cult, classes and races, and which would separate the waring parties, at the very least equaly strongly.

But no, what do we see? We see Israel getting punished with terror and Western indiference when Israel refrains itself from defining Palestinians despite the terror attacks, despite the Palestinians embracing fascist hatreds and fascist love of themselves and their fabricated causes and despite the transcending contracts that AMerica and Israel hold together in the fight against terror.

Yet we play down the Palestinian identity and terror, we even encourage it, calling for a Palestinian homeland the very day the WTC got bombed. Worse, when people out West find that their money has indeed supported the terrorism and the death on their own soil, there is a death spiral instinct of supressing disturbing testimony, testimony of those who suffer and who could raise a trail of guilt that could go all the way on to the very desks of the elites.

This is when good people become evil and collude with evil. It is a spiral, it starts as a tricle and soon it grows very quickly.

It originate primarily from two things: allowing visible definitions to sip in as opposed to more difficult to discern jurisdictions and contracts. The dynamic of guilt and witness intimidation is quickly started once one makes such fatal initial mistake. Any crook can hook anyone any time with this method and control them to do the worst of attrocities, even though it becomes more and more obvious the attrocities are commited. Refrain from definition, impose jurisdictions.

Bush should not define the situation in blunt terms, he should refrain from defining, he should scold on those defining and act on this jurisdiction, not on definitions over which he has no arbitrary right nor jurisdiction.

Bush may want peace, but he is pushing for war. BIG TIME!!! His compassionate conservatism is in full view right now. It is an entitlement mentality, a Roman decadance, that encourages cults to compet politicaly and to meddle with the affairs of the Congress and rulers. Compassionate conservatism encourages definition and identity, instead of moderating it and separating it from government. It encourages the view of a Palestinian homeland and of Israeli "eye for eye" action, instead of moderating the homeland demands and the grotesque Nazi pictures of one may have of Jews and Israelies. THe media is going full bore pitting one side against the other, hoping for a major war.

We heard those rumblings before Kosovo, they are ominous. The media wants blood, everyone wants blood. Yet no one sees that Israel has been trying to moderate the views, and no one cares. The media could be smart and pit fairly the two sides as in a Jerry Springer show or Wrestling match, but no, the media is such a swine, they will even go to the extent of chosing a side, of favoring a side, of playing the game itself instead of making others play the game, they follow like pigs instinctively the basest of the trails of sh!t they can smell. If opposing view to incite war is not smelly enough crap, they will roll in it like dogs and pigs and participate in the mayhem they created themselves.

We are witnessing an orgy of incredible proportions. And our elite is going along with it, incredible!!! The only thing I hope is that some in our elite do want to bankrupt the region and are manipulating things. At least they would show some control of themselves. But it does not even seem to be the case!!!!

17 posted on 04/10/2002 7:53:32 AM PDT by lavaroise
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Great article!
24 posted on 04/10/2002 9:31:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: dennisw
This is about psychopathology. Having adopted a child psychopath, I can relate to this discussion. Psychopaths, outside of the movies, are excellent con artists and seek to portray themselves as victims, and are usually successful.

To better illustrate this, we were parenting a 7 year old who spit at us, set fires and bit us. We took her out to a public gathering and within an hour we were mean and hostile parents, despised by most of the adults attending, and our daughter was a sweet, pathetic, mistreated child. It was like the air itself sent the message out to everyone as our daughter breathed. Although we were the real victims, in nearly any given public situation, we became the persecutors and our daughter became the victim. The magic of a true psychopath is something to witness.

I have long found the muslim terrorist viewpoint to be of disturbing similarity to our daughter's first years in our home. Arafat is a brilliant manipulator, as was our daughter.

And for anyone who cares, after 6 long, hard years and a small fortune spent in counseling and therapeutic parenting-training, our daughter is no longer a pyschopath. Her child psychiatrist released us from therapy just less than a year ago.

26 posted on 04/10/2002 10:18:25 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: dennisw
The terrorist therefore must persuade his victims that they are "doing the right thing" by submitting to fear. To do so, the terrorist needs to recruit or take over each victim's conscience and change it. This happens in stages.

Bump.

27 posted on 04/10/2002 1:04:23 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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