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I beg to differ. This stuff starts in elementary school. I am the mother of one of those girls in the middle group. She's pretty tough, having been through much worse before we adopted her at age 5. BUT ..... one of the mildest sweetest looking little girls in her class was regularly opening my daughter's lunch box and taking what she wanted.(I stopped it.) This child has also viciously excluded another girl in the class, by trying to get the other girls in the class to not include her, or invite her to anything. If one of the other girls in the class crosses this child by not complying with her wishes, then they get "the treatment".

I'm thinking of changing schools because of this child. The administration won't do anything because the child is careful not to let any adults see her behave this way. This is a private school second grade. I have no intention of letting my daughter deal with the garbage from this child for the rest of her school years.

I know there's lots of psychobabble out there, but some of you guys remember being bullied by some jerk out there, why is it so hard to think women might do it differently?

I'm not going to handle this like some liberal victim, I won't sue anybody or take steps like that, but I WILL handle it. My daughter will be moved to another school if this stuff continues, I'll take my private school dollars elsewhere, and they'll know why.

These nasty and manipulative females grow up to join the PTA, hoping to relive the glory days of their seventh grade nastiness. In three communities, I've tried joining PTAs to try to help teachers and to hopefully keep a closer eye on what happens to my kids during the day.

Three times, I've ended up leaving because the leaderships of these organizations is straight out of junior-high Queens of Spite. Any similar experiences out there?

some of you guys remember being bullied by some jerk out there, why is it so hard to think women might do it differently?

You have to remember that not everyone was bullied -- some here were the bullies. Some here probably still are bullies -- in the muted style of the adult.

So you can't really expect them to denounce what they were and still are. They blame the victim. It works for them.