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To: zog
I'm just wondering at what precise moment Freepers turned on JW.
23 posted on 04/09/2002 9:00:39 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
IF, (a big if) this gets press in Florida, it could be some help for Jeb against reno.
25 posted on 04/09/2002 9:08:29 PM PDT by berned
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To: Sir Gawain
Many Freepers turned against Larry Klayman at a time when he needed their help and support the most. It is not his fault that many of their cases are stalled, with the amount of cooperation they are getting from the Bush Administration and current Justice Department, I do not blame them. The wheels of Justice oftentimes turn very slowly and only consistent vigilance to the truth and trust in God will help us win the difficult and trying battle against government corruption.
30 posted on 04/09/2002 9:13:41 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Sir Gawain
Years ago. His own posts, on here, didn't help him any. His going after President Bush, almost as soon as he was elected, was the final nail in the coffi, for some. Others, long ago realized that al he does is talk and beg for donantions, which go directly into his pockets, and produce exactly no, none, nada, zilch, bupkiss results.
40 posted on 04/09/2002 9:20:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Sir Gawain
--to answer your question, around the exact day george bush repeated the words to the oath of office I believe.

There have been several dramatic shifts around here. for instance, pre 9-11, most free trade and immigration threads were running 90%+ "in favor" of those concepts. Post 9-11 saupport for those policies has dropped tremendously. Although I don't exactly recall a single freeper admitting to a change of heart, it's sorta easy to see the tone has changed.

Pre- the latest admin change, any news article discussions about FOIA documents and the government ran along the lines of "give the documents up, whaddya got to hide scumbags". Now, well.....

There's independent conservatives interested in uncovering decades of past 'government" abuse, then there's partisan private political party supporters who are only interested in trying to seize the government for their political party's profit, two different sets of folks there. When the dems do it here, it's condemened. if a repub does it on dorks unlimited they are condemned. but iof it's theeir own party "in charge" of government at the time-then see no eveil and etc. Ya see, only slimeball dems blindly support their party or "leaders" no matter what is going on, the "adults" would never do anything like that..... uh huh

Judicial watch has good points and bad points, IMO, but all in all, like exactly how many conservative law firms/orgs are out there actually trying to uncover government scandals? Two?

I think of them rather like the NRA. Basically I'm a full 2nd supporter, I think the NRA mostly sucks, but also realise they are one of a small handful of orgs trying to at least do something. oh well.

Reality is, most "conservatives" like "liberals" are perfectly content to let this "they" guy do whatever for them.

I've been involved in two court cases against "the man". lemme tell ya, it sucks, it's scary, sometimes late at night when you notice you are alone, no one gives a crap, you realise the system is 100% rigged totally unlawfully and unethically and immorally from the gitgo against you, and after the latest death threat, well, sometimes ya just want to give up.

I won both times.

It still sucked.

I sympathise wioth larry tremendously, even if he ain't won a lot, he's kept some of the juicier stuff going, and like this article, comes up with some gems sometimes. I wish we had 100 judicial watchs and southeast legal foundation orgs out there right now, but there's no support in this nation for any of that.

Pick the lowest ranked national college football team, they get more media coverage than the sum total of the real national scandals/gov abuses, and they get more financial support. Shows ya were most folks heads are at.

People are just not gonna care until their own door gets kicked in, or their kid gets shot in the face, or some bureaucrat destroys their lives on a whim , for something to do before lunch when they are bored. THEN they decide to get involved, before that-talk-complaints- mostly.

48 posted on 04/09/2002 9:39:38 PM PDT by zog
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To: Sir Gawain; nopardons; deport; JeanS
I'm just wondering at what precise moment Freepers turned on JW.

I believe for most of us it came when we saw the few financial forms he has filed that are on the internet.

When you are a "law firm" begging for money to "fight the good fight" and you take in over $25,000,000 in donations and you spend less than $2,000,000 on "legal expenses" chances are you're not in it for the law.

74 posted on 04/09/2002 11:06:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sir Gawain
I'm not pro or con of Judicial Watch, however, we must all keep in mind that suits against the government take YEARS. We must all admit tho, that they HAVE uncovered some awesome documents and testimony.

Nam Vet

81 posted on 04/09/2002 11:21:49 PM PDT by Nam Vet
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To: Sir Gawain
"I'm just wondering at what precise moment Freepers turned on JW."

Maybe it was the anniversary of his 50,000th lawsuit with zippo wins. His balance sheet's a winner, however.

P.S. I don't remember the precise moment either, but it was many moons ago.

272 posted on 04/12/2002 5:45:32 AM PDT by Mr_Peter
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