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To: Sir Gawain
--to answer your question, around the exact day george bush repeated the words to the oath of office I believe.

There have been several dramatic shifts around here. for instance, pre 9-11, most free trade and immigration threads were running 90%+ "in favor" of those concepts. Post 9-11 saupport for those policies has dropped tremendously. Although I don't exactly recall a single freeper admitting to a change of heart, it's sorta easy to see the tone has changed.

Pre- the latest admin change, any news article discussions about FOIA documents and the government ran along the lines of "give the documents up, whaddya got to hide scumbags". Now, well.....

There's independent conservatives interested in uncovering decades of past 'government" abuse, then there's partisan private political party supporters who are only interested in trying to seize the government for their political party's profit, two different sets of folks there. When the dems do it here, it's condemened. if a repub does it on dorks unlimited they are condemned. but iof it's theeir own party "in charge" of government at the time-then see no eveil and etc. Ya see, only slimeball dems blindly support their party or "leaders" no matter what is going on, the "adults" would never do anything like that..... uh huh

Judicial watch has good points and bad points, IMO, but all in all, like exactly how many conservative law firms/orgs are out there actually trying to uncover government scandals? Two?

I think of them rather like the NRA. Basically I'm a full 2nd supporter, I think the NRA mostly sucks, but also realise they are one of a small handful of orgs trying to at least do something. oh well.

Reality is, most "conservatives" like "liberals" are perfectly content to let this "they" guy do whatever for them.

I've been involved in two court cases against "the man". lemme tell ya, it sucks, it's scary, sometimes late at night when you notice you are alone, no one gives a crap, you realise the system is 100% rigged totally unlawfully and unethically and immorally from the gitgo against you, and after the latest death threat, well, sometimes ya just want to give up.

I won both times.

It still sucked.

I sympathise wioth larry tremendously, even if he ain't won a lot, he's kept some of the juicier stuff going, and like this article, comes up with some gems sometimes. I wish we had 100 judicial watchs and southeast legal foundation orgs out there right now, but there's no support in this nation for any of that.

Pick the lowest ranked national college football team, they get more media coverage than the sum total of the real national scandals/gov abuses, and they get more financial support. Shows ya were most folks heads are at.

People are just not gonna care until their own door gets kicked in, or their kid gets shot in the face, or some bureaucrat destroys their lives on a whim , for something to do before lunch when they are bored. THEN they decide to get involved, before that-talk-complaints- mostly.

48 posted on 04/09/2002 9:39:38 PM PDT by zog
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To: zog
I totally agree with what you said in your most recent post. I would also like to say that in all of the years I have been a lurker here I can not believe how childish some of the poster here have become. It is sad very sad IMHO.
72 posted on 04/09/2002 10:58:25 PM PDT by silverkor
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